davidpearce comments on Confused as to usefulness of 'consciousness' as a concept - Less Wrong
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Usually when we say "consciousness", we mean self-awareness. It's a phenomenon of our cognition that we can't explain yet, we believe it does causal work, and if it's identical with self-awareness, it might be why we're having this conversation.
I personally don't think it has much to do with moral worth, actually. It's very warm-and-fuzzy to say we ought to place moral value on all conscious creatures, but I actually believe that a proper solution to ethics is going to dissolve the concept of "moral worth" into some components like (blatantly making names up here) "decision-theoretic empathy" (agents and instances where it's rational for me to acausally cooperate), "altruism" (using my models of others' values as a direct component of my own values, often derived from actual psychological empathy), and even "love" (outright personal attachment to another agent for my own reasons -- and we'd usually say love should imply altruism).
So we might want to be altruistic towards chickens, but I personally don't think chickens possess some magical valence that stops them from being "made of atoms I can use for something else", other than the general fact that I feel some very low level of altruism and empathy towards chickens. Or, to argue Timelessly, we might say that I ought to operate with some level of altruism for the general class of minds like mine, which includes most Earth-based animals, since the foundations of our cognitive architectures evolved very, very slowly (and often in parallel shapes, under similar selection pressures); certainly I personally generally feel a moral impulse to leave Nature alone, since I cannot treat with most of it as one equal being to another.
Consciousness definitely exists, but I think it's worth not treating it as magic.
Eli, it's too quick to dismiss placing moral value on all conscious creatures as "very warm-and-fuzzy". If we're psychologising, then we might equally say that working towards the well-being of all sentience reflects the cognitive style of a rule-bound hyper-systematiser. No, chickens aren't going to win any Fields medals - though chickens can recognise logical relationships and perform transitive inferences (cf. the "pecking order"). But nonhuman animals can still experience states of extreme distress. Uncontrolled panic, for example, feels awful regardless of your species-identity. Such panic involves a complete absence or breakdown of reflective self-awareness - illustrating how the most intense forms of consciousness don't involve sophisticated meta-cognition.
Either way, if we can ethically justify spending, say, $100,000 salvaging a 23-week-old human micro-preemie, then impartial benevolence dictates caring for beings of greater sentience and sapience as well - or at the very least, not actively harming them.
Hey, I already said that I actually do have some empathy and altruism for chickens. "Warm and fuzzy" isn't an insult: it's just another part of how our minds work that we don't currently understand (like consciousness). My primary point is that we should hold off on assigning huge value to things prior to actually understanding what they are and how they work.
Eli, fair point.
David, is this thing with the names a game?
Eli, sorry, could you elaborate? Thanks!
I'm pretty sure eli_sennesh is wondering if there's any special meaning to your responses to him all starting with his name, considering that that's not standard practice on LW (since the software keeps track of which comment a comment is a reply to).