Strange7 comments on Confused as to usefulness of 'consciousness' as a concept - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Strange7 01 August 2014 09:04:47PM 0 points [-]

Again, I think you're misunderstanding. The metric I'm proposing doesn't measure how well those self-maintenance systems work, only how many of them there are.

Yes, of course we're only really interested in some aspects of self-maintenance. Let's start by counting how many aspects there are, and start categorizing once that first step has produced some hard numbers.

Comment author: private_messaging 02 August 2014 07:22:04AM 1 point [-]

Ahh, OK. The thing is, though... say, a crystal puts atoms back together if you move them slightly (and a liquid doesn't). And so on, all sorts of very simple apparent self maintenance done without a trace of intelligent behaviour.

Comment author: Strange7 03 August 2014 11:29:44PM 0 points [-]

What's your point? I've already acknowledged that this metric doesn't return equally low values for all inanimate objects, and it seems a bit more common (in new-agey circles at least) to ascribe intelligence to crystals or rivers than to puffs of hot gas, so in that regard it's better calibrated to human intuition than Integrated Information Theory.