Jack comments on No One Knows What Science Doesn't Know - Less Wrong

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Comment author: arundelo 12 February 2010 01:31:31AM *  4 points [-]

I don't think you understand something until you understand the mechanism.

How do you know when you've "hit the bottom" of a stack of explanations?

When I first learned about curved space and spacetime, I took some of the standard metaphors too literally. I remember speculating that space was a trampoline, but extending in three dimensions rather than two, infinitely thin in the fourth dimension, accelerating (forever!) in the fifth dimension, and of course not actually made of anything. (The acceleration was necessary to make the pieces of matter sitting on the trampoline stretch it.)

Years later I ran across the writings of a crank physicist (edit: I think I found him) whose big idea was that everything is constantly getting bigger (or maybe smaller), and that this explained gravity and maybe some of the other forces too.

Now I see both of these as taking a metaphor too literally because it seems to provide a mechanism. John Baez's Crackpot Index provides

10 points for arguing that while a current well-established theory predicts phenomena correctly, it doesn't explain "why" they occur, or fails to provide a "mechanism".

(This artice by Ronald Merrill, "Sufficient Reason and Causality", is related, though it's been a long time since I've read it.)

Comment author: dclayh 12 February 2010 02:37:36AM 6 points [-]

Scott Adams of Dilbert fame has also proposed the "everything is constantly getting bigger" theory of gravity.

Comment author: Jack 12 February 2010 02:50:37AM 0 points [-]

So I suppose asking how a crank physics theory is supposed to work is like asking Lewis Carroll for proof of concept but... what exactly is the the appeal of this? I don't even see the surface plausibility.

Comment author: byrnema 12 February 2010 03:03:34AM 1 point [-]

I liked Ali's review best. She wrote,

As for the "Expansion Theory", it cannot explain gravitation. This idea was tried before, and it fails. Maybe if McCutcheon learned some science, then he could do some science.

Comment author: dclayh 12 February 2010 03:06:03AM 9 points [-]

You jump into the air -> Earth expands -> voila, now you're touching the Earth again.

Comment author: Jack 12 February 2010 03:22:04AM 0 points [-]

Bwahahahaha. Alright. I see it. Thanks. :-)

Comment author: JGWeissman 12 February 2010 03:22:58AM 1 point [-]

But what does this theory say about orbits? or escape velocity?

Comment author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 12 February 2010 06:42:35AM 3 points [-]

"Shut up"

I think a better question would be, what does this theory say about mass? As opposed to volume and distance? How can an object be equidistant between two other equally-sized objects and be attracted to one of them more than the other?

It fails even as a crank theory.

Comment author: Polymeron 01 May 2011 10:15:21AM 0 points [-]

I too have stumbled on "The Final Theory", and was wondering what it was all about - though not enough to actually spend money on the book. Thanks for digging this up!