gwern comments on Why Are Individual IQ Differences OK? - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Jiro 06 August 2013 09:10:22PM 2 points [-]

Perhaps you intended that within a specific context from the comment above like "These introduction examples don't cause a problem because of prejudice, but because they sound like claims to superiority", in which case I'd agree with you.

I'm sure you could find one specific example in the world of someone prejudiced against someone because of high IQ, but I'd say that in general, there isn't such prejudice. There may be prejudice against intelligence, but that's not the same thing, and even that only exists in a few limited situations.

If a person is superior, is it okay to treat them differently?

I don't see the relevance. A claim of superiority (especially an unwarranted one) isn't the same thing as actual superiority.

Comment author: gwern 06 August 2013 10:18:53PM 4 points [-]

I'm sure you could find one specific example in the world of someone prejudiced against someone because of high IQ, but I'd say that in general, there isn't such prejudice. There may be prejudice against intelligence, but that's not the same thing, and even that only exists in a few limited situations.

I'm not clear what the difference here is between being prejudiced against someone because of IQ, and because of intelligence; since IQ is a pretty good measure of intelligence, it'd be pretty hard to be prejudiced against one and not the other...

In any case, there do seem to be historically a lot of cases of anti-intellectualism (I like the Khmer Rouge targeting people with glasses), and traditional societies do favor high Openness a lot less than modern societies (see Miller).

Comment author: Jiro 08 August 2013 02:42:58PM -1 points [-]

since IQ is a pretty good measure of intelligence

That subclause is doing an awful lot of work in your argument.

I'd say that IQ measures part of what most people consider intelligence, but isn't the same as it, and even as a measure of that it isn't an exact measure.

Comment author: gwern 08 August 2013 04:19:28PM 5 points [-]

That subclause is doing an awful lot of work in your argument.

Well, it's a good thing we've got a century or so of work on the positive manifold/g. I wouldn't want to make anything but one of the best established tests do so much work in my argument!

I'd say that IQ measures part of what most people consider intelligence, but isn't the same as it, and even as a measure of that it isn't an exact measure.

It does not measure all cognitive traits, no, and as a measure it has a pretty precisely known amount of unreliability in it.

Yet I fail to see how either of your sentences are a reply to my comment.