army1987 comments on Why Are Individual IQ Differences OK? - Less Wrong

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Comment author: [deleted] 18 August 2013 09:50:39AM -2 points [-]

And E(X's deserved SAT score|X's measured SAT score; X is male) - E(X's deserved SAT score|X's measured SAT score; X is female) was, like, four points? I still think people's System 1 are likely to overestimate this difference if they know about the correlation more than underestimate it if they don't.

Comment author: gwern 18 August 2013 07:36:38PM 6 points [-]

And E(X's deserved SAT score|X's measured SAT score; X is male) - E(X's deserved SAT score|X's measured SAT score; X is female) was, like, four points?

A 4 point adjustment (or more) across all candidates based solely on 1 binary variable (gender) and a trivial centuries-old bit of statistical reasoning seems like a fairly impressive output, and likely to make a difference on the margin for thousands of applications out of the millions sent each year.

I still think people's System 1 are likely to overestimate this difference if they know about the correlation more than underestimate it if they don't.

And your evidence for this is...?

Comment author: Vaniver 20 August 2013 07:34:00AM *  2 points [-]

And E(X's deserved SAT score|X's measured SAT score; X is male) - E(X's deserved SAT score|X's measured SAT score; X is female) was, like, four points?

For applicants scoring 800 on a hypothetical normally distributed math SAT, yep. For normally distributed tests, shrinkage is linear based on the difference between the group mean and the measured mean, and so it's smaller for less extreme scores.

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I still think people's System 1 are likely to overestimate this difference if they know about the correlation more than underestimate it if they don't.

Saying "we shouldn't explicitly calculate something because some people might implicitly calculate that thing incorrectly" sounds to me like going in the exact wrong direction.

Comment author: Eugine_Nier 21 August 2013 12:58:02AM 2 points [-]

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Here is Wei Dai's tool for searching LW comments.