DanArmak comments on "All natural food" as an constrained optimisation problem - Less Wrong

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Comment author: DanArmak 05 August 2014 05:05:14PM 0 points [-]

one word, which should silence all doubters of this: "diet"

Is it not allowed to run randomized controlled trials assigning diets to people? I'm pretty sure I've read about such trials. Do ethics boards forbid assigning diets they (without good evidence) believe to be harmful?

Comment author: gwern 05 August 2014 08:17:45PM *  1 point [-]

Like any area, the ethics boards hold experiments to much higher standards than things like surveys; I don't think it's exceptional in this regard except to the extent that the area has irresponsibly taken its dubious results as gospel and tried to remake society. (I criticize a lot of psychology for bad research practices, but at least with most of it, people don't try to reorganize their lives and diets based on the latest survey.)

On top of that, diet research focuses heavily on junk correlations because it's unusually hard to run RCTs on diet. Unfortunately, they ignore that correlations are far less informative compared to causations than correlation research is easy to run compared to RCTs. We'd be better off if most diet research had never been done, ethics ignored, and the funding used for a few large RCTs instead. That'd've avoided the farcical history of diet advice like salt, fat, etc.

Comment author: DanArmak 06 August 2014 08:35:47AM 0 points [-]

Like any area, the ethics boards hold experiments to much higher standards than things like surveys

That's only an implicit answer, and I want to be sure I understand correctly. Do ethics boards forbid trials with diet interventions? Or is the problem only that diet researchers do the wrong things and then oversell their results?

Comment author: gwern 06 August 2014 04:19:42PM *  1 point [-]

Do ethics boards forbid trials with diet interventions?

They and the general culture of 'ethics' and overrating professional expertise and correlative results forbid trials on the margin.

Or is the problem only that diet researchers do the wrong things and then oversell their results?

I don't see any 'only' about the matter.