James_Miller comments on Rationality Quotes August 2014 - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Torello 04 August 2014 05:26:28PM *  -2 points [-]

I find it ironic that you use a military example to illustrate how we can achieve collective action at the civilization level.

Isn't the fact the Spartans were willing to "come back with their shields - or on it" the epitome of our kind not being able to cooperate?

I always interpreted "our kind" as the whole of humanity, so for me one sub-set of humanity banding together to destroy another subset (or die trying) isn't a good example of civilization-level cooperation, or the kind of meme that would be useful to spread.

Comment author: James_Miller 04 August 2014 06:12:00PM 3 points [-]

I see competition among different groups of people, with those able to overcome their collective action problems gaining power and resources.

Comment author: Torello 04 August 2014 09:18:53PM 0 points [-]

I see what you mean, but in a military conflict it sees that any gain in power or resources is the result of another group losing power or resources (a zero-sum game). I guess that trade/commerce might be a positive-sum example where competition is still involved but on the whole there is societal benefit.