eli_sennesh comments on Rationality Quotes August 2014 - Less Wrong

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Comment author: James_Miller 04 August 2014 03:35:52AM 15 points [-]

Come back with your shield - or on it.

Our kind might not be able to cooperate, but the Spartans certainly could. The Spartans were masters of hoplite phalanx warfare where often every individual would have been better off running away but collectively everyone was better off if none ran away than if all did. The above quote is what Plutarch says Spartan mothers would tell their sons before battle. (Because shields were heavy if you were going to run away you would drop it, and coming back on your shield meant you were dead.) Spreading memes to overcome collective action problems is civilization level rational.

Comment author: [deleted] 31 August 2014 02:46:53PM 0 points [-]

"Our kind cannot cooperate" is a common meme for which I've seen comparatively little evidence. Mailing lists are not the real world, and while most people might start flame wars over the tiniest bullshit on mailing lists, their real-world behavior is largely cooperative and prosocial.

Comment author: RichardKennaway 31 August 2014 06:17:51PM *  1 point [-]

Would those be the same people you characterised by these words?

(ChristianKl) Normal civilized humans don't really want to kill other humans.

(eli_sennesh) Well, certainly not nearby humans who have similar skin coloration and evince membership in the same tribe. Those people, on the other hand, are disgusting, and the lot of them simply have to go.

Comment author: [deleted] 31 August 2014 07:44:19PM -1 points [-]

The comment you're quoting is sarcastic.