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Why is Elua still here?
Past Eluas have died (see the examples of traditional warrior ethos, of letting children bring themselves up, of personal interactions in all exchanges, and a whole bunch of things that make sense in tribal environments but not in ours).
Between Omega, Moloch, Elua and the Basilisk we have quite a proliferation of gods on LW.
That's what happens when you try to quit religion cold turkey.
One interpretation of Greek Mythology is that the Greeks didn't really believe in their gods, but the gods represented different aspects of human nature. We are sort of doing the same here and so following in the classical tradition.
I agree that this is a possible interpretation, but (just to be clear) it isn't a very sensible one, is it? Being one of those "People we would naturally expect to be very different from us in some respect are actually very similar, only they behave exactly as if they differed, for a complicated reason" things
I don't know about Greek Mythology, but this is totally a real thing regarding Hinduism (though not necessarily the predominant view). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atheism_in_Hinduism
(I suspect certain Greeks believed in them literally and other Greeks believed in them as metaphors but they never realized they disagreed for reasons akin to these.)
They did in fact have open disagreements. Most famously, Socrates was executed over one.
That depends probably a lot of what you mean with "really believe". They probably didn't believe in the same sense of "believe" that 21st century Christians in their Gods.
Not all 21st-century Christians "believe" in the same sense, either. If a future anthropologist or classicist were to reconstruct the "beliefs" of modern Christianity from the kind of patchwork sources that we have for ancient Greek myth, they might have a pretty hard time.
I wonder what people living 10,000 years from now (assuming that "people" would even exist then, however defined) would think of christianity. In that time, one of the world's dominant religions might have started 8,000 from now/2,000 years "before" their time, and only a few antiquarians would even know of the existence of the christian religion. They would have to reconstruct it from fragmentary evidence comparable to efforts to reconstruct, say, the ancient Sumerian religion.
Don't forget Eris :-D
I did forget. Could you link to a source?
Seconded. The presence of this user makes googling for
Eris site:lesswrong.comuseless.Here is a source. I can't promise it's the one u/Lumifer meant.
I haven't seen much explicit discussion of Murphy, but all the talk about AIs going wrong are tributes to his influence.
Add The Matrix Lords to the list. If you take acausal cooperation seriously, your relationship with them is a complex one.
Moloch is slow. And humanity is young. And Civilization is even younger.
Human productivity relies on Elua, so Moloch won't destroy her until after we have fully automated our economy. But after that don't expect Moloch to act slowly.
More poetically, Elua gains his power by serving Moloch.
(scratch that, reverse it...)