Bugmaster comments on The Wonder of Evolution - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Bugmaster 17 May 2012 10:20:20PM 0 points [-]

Your extreme example of evidence in a creator is a valid point, but only to a certain limit. Maybe the grand creator does not want to make things that obvious?

Sure, that is possible. Then, in the absence of overwhelming evidence for a designer, we have at least two possible explanations for the evidence that we do possess:

1). Cellular replication in general and DNA in particular is a result of natural processes, specifically {insert long explanation here}.
2). Cellular replication in general and DNA in particular is a result of both natural processes, as well as supernatural intervention by an intelligent designer for whose existence we have no evidence.

Which explanation is more likely to be true, Bayesically speaking (yes I know that's not a word) ?

Comment author: JoshuaZ 17 May 2012 10:23:53PM 1 point [-]

I don't think you need to invoke any sort of Bayesian issues there. Just ask which is simpler. You also are going one step ahead of what is necessary because as far as I can tell, Ghazzali isn't even ok with theistic evolution.

Comment author: Bugmaster 17 May 2012 10:37:25PM 2 points [-]

Just ask which is simpler.

I want to taboo the word "simpler", because its meaning is vague. "God did it" is certainly a simpler statement than "Here, read this 500-page biology textbook and find out".

because as far as I can tell, Ghazzali isn't even ok with theistic evolution

I think my example still applies, though. Ultimately, we still have purely physical things like fossils, DNA molecules, etc. etc.; as far as I understand, Ghazzali doesn't dispute the fact that these items exist, only the conclusions we can draw from their existence.