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Once you've asked about decoherence and irreversibility, that immediately raises the question of whether these are what we're aiming at, or something usually very closely related - or indeed whether these are the same thing at all! Suppose we have a quantum computer with three parts, each much larger than the previous.
We run Alice and Alice's Room forwards in time for a while, and Alice is doing a bunch of locally-irreversible computations, dumping the resulting entropy into Alice's Room instead of outer space.
At some point, we quantum-randomly either: 1) let Alice's Room shed entropy into outer space, causing the local irreversibility to become permanent, or 2) we time-reverse the dynamics of Alice and Alice's Room until we reach the initial state.
Was Alice conscious in case 1? In case 2? Since the sequence of events in both cases were in fact the same exact sequence of events - not merely identical, but referring to the exact same physically realized sequence of events - up to our quantum coinflip, it's nonsense to say that one was conscious and the other was not.
So yes, consciousness is connected to the arrow of time, but on a local level, not necessarily on the billion-year scale.
This lets us spit out that bullet about the Anti-deSitter space. If you're in an AdS space, you're going to choke on your own waste heat a zillion years before quantum billiards brings you back close to the starting point.
So, I'd say that there's consciousness inside this AdS trap, for a little while, until they die. When quantum billiards has again randomly lowered entropy to the point that a potentially conscious entity might have an entropy sink, then you can again have consciousness.
So, the AdS sphere is 99.999...(insert a lot)..99% not conscious, on account of its being dead, not on account of its being quantum-reversible.
wolfgang proposed a similar example on Scott's blog:
Scott responded that
His example is different in a very particular way:
His conscious entity gets to dump photons into de Sitter space directly and only if you open it. This makes Scott's counter-claim prima facie basically plausible - if your putative consciousness only involves reversible actions, then is it really conscious?
But, I specifically drew a line between Alice and Alice's Room, and specified that Alice's normal operations are irreversible - but they must also dump entropy into the Room, taking in one of its 0 bits and returning something that might be 1 or 0, and if you feed her a 1 bit, she dies on waste heat (maybe she has some degree of tolerance for 1s, but as the density of 1s approaches 50% she cannot survive).
If you were to just leave the Room open all the time, always resetting its qbits to 0, Alice would operate the same, aside from having no risk of heatstroke. (In this case, of course, if you run the simulation backwards, the result would not be where you started, but catastrophe).
I think this is a pretty crucial distinction.
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At least that find explains why the comment disappeared without a ripple. It triggered "I've seen this before".
Well, Scott :
I disagree with his caveat for consciousness, since I would like to think of myself as conscious even if I am a simulation someone can run backwards, but I am not 100% sure, because reversibility changes the game considerably. Scott alludes to it in the Schrodinger's cat experiment, by noting that death becomes reversible (in the QM-sense, not the cryonic sense), and thus largely loses its meaning:
Since this changes at least one fundamental concept, I am reluctant to state that it cannot apply to another.
He was willing to bite a big bullet to defend the definition he used. I just applied the definition he'd used, and plopped a much fatter bullet on his plate.
To recap - He would interpret the same sequence of past physical states as conscious or not depending on which branch of a later quantum split he ended up in.
Meanwhile, I provided an alternate very similar interpretation that maintains all of the benefits I can discern of his formulation and dodges both bullets.
Consider posting your comment on his blog.
Too bad he didn't consider it worth replying to (yet?)
Too bad indeed. In my experience, if he hasn't within a day or so, he won't.
Funny, I just came here to copy it for that purpose.