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Comment author: JoshuaMyer 11 September 2014 03:45:24AM *  2 points [-]

Why?

Anything massive traveling between stars would almost certainly be either very slow turning, constantly in search of fuel, or unconstrained by widely accepted (though possibly non-immutable) physical limitations ... Would we be a fuel source? Perhaps we would represent a chance to learn about life, something we believe to be a relatively rare phenomena ... There's just not enough information to say why an entity would seek us out without assuming something about its nature ... intelligence wants to be seen? To reformat the universe to suit it's needs? An interesting concept. It certainly can evolve as an imperative (probably in a more specific form).

Perhaps you could refer me to more writing on the subject. I've been imagining Von Nueman machines crawling through asteroid belts -- Arthur C. Clarke chases them away from a first contact scenario by convincing them we will never conquer the stars. Clearly, I'm missing some links.

Oh and thank you for engaging me. The way you deal with concepts makes me happy.

Comment author: Stuart_Armstrong 15 September 2014 02:43:55PM 2 points [-]

We argue that travelling between galaxies - let alone between stars is very "easy", for some values of "easy". See http://www.fhi.ox.ac.uk/intergalactic-spreading.pdf or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQTfuI-9jIo&list=UU_qqMD08PFrDfPREoBEL6IQ

Major cosmical restructuring would be trivial (under the assumptions we made) for any star-spanning civilization.

Comment author: JoshuaMyer 18 September 2014 08:08:43PM *  2 points [-]

Thank you. Not entirely convinced, but at least I'm distracted for now by not knowing enough astrophysics. :-)