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Comment author: Vaniver 13 September 2014 12:57:00AM 3 points [-]

I am not an expert in human prehistory, and I remember reading this account as being speculative the last time I looked into it, so take the following with a grain of salt. That said, it seems that several features of modern humans evolved separately in different environments- color vision in the jungles to identify fruits, standing upright (which led to more useful hands) in the savannah, easy access to micronutrients useful for brain development along rivers and the coast. So if a planet has savannahs and coastline and jungles, but not next to each other like they were in Eastern Africa during the relevant timeframe, then the path that we took is blocked (or, at least, harder to follow).

But how easy are alternate paths, and how likely is a habitable planet to support at least one pathway like that? I don't have the expertise to guess well.

Comment author: Azathoth123 14 September 2014 05:48:01PM 6 points [-]

That said, it seems that several features of modern humans evolved separately in different environments- color vision in the jungles to identify fruits

It's not clear why color vision is necessary for intelligence. In any case most vertebrates have (at least) three color vision. In most mammals this was reduced to two but in primates a mutation increased this to three. So its not like three color vision is hard to evolve.

Comment author: Vaniver 14 September 2014 11:14:20PM 1 point [-]

It's not clear why color vision is necessary for intelligence.

I think the more stuff your brain does for you, the more you benefit from any gene that benefits your brain. But is 3-color vision all that different in this regard than 2-color vision? Perhaps not.

Comment author: Azathoth123 16 September 2014 02:37:09AM 3 points [-]

I'm not sure about that it seems that the higher up the evolutionary tree you go the more the emphasis shifts from "more senses" to "better use of fewer senses".

Sharks can detect bio-electric fields and minute water vibrations for example.