James_Miller comments on Rationality Quotes September 2014 - Less Wrong

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Comment author: James_Miller 03 September 2014 01:50:02AM 6 points [-]

Dreams demonstrate that our brains (and even rat brains) are capable of creating complex, immersive, fully convincing simulations. Waking life is also a kind of dream. Our consciousness exists, and is shown particular aspects of reality. We see what we see for adaptive reasons, not because it is the truth. Nerds are the ones who notice that something is off - and want to see what's really going on.

The View from Hell from an article recommended by asd.

Comment author: TheAncientGeek 06 September 2014 07:08:03PM 9 points [-]

The easy way to make a convincing simulation is to disable the inner critic.

Comment author: Risto_Saarelma 09 September 2014 05:00:29AM 1 point [-]

The inner critic that is disabled during regular dreaming turns back on during lucid dreaming. People who have them seem to be quite impressed by lucid dreams.

Comment author: TheAncientGeek 09 September 2014 10:17:34AM 1 point [-]

You still can't focus on stable details.

Comment author: chaosmage 12 September 2014 09:12:44AM 2 points [-]

You can with training. It is a lot like training visualization: In the beginning, the easiest things to visualize are complex moving shapes (say a tree with wind going through it), but if you try for a couple of hours, you can get all the way down to simple geometric shapes.

Comment author: RichardKennaway 03 September 2014 08:03:01AM 9 points [-]

We see what we see for adaptive reasons, not because it is the truth.

Contrast:

Nature cannot be fooled.

-- Feynman

One might even FTFY the first quote as:

"We see what we see for adaptive reasons, because it is the truth."

This part:

Nerds are the ones who notice that something is off - and want to see what's really going on.

is contradicted by the context of the whole article. The article is in praise of insight porn (the writer's own words for it) as the cognitive experience of choice for nerds (the writer's word for them, in whom he includes himself and for whom he is writing) while explicitly considering its actual truth to be of little importance. He praises the experience of reading Julian Jaynes and in the same breath dismisses Jaynes' actual claims as "batshit insane and obviously wrong".

In other words, "Nerds ... want to see what's really going on" is, like the whole article, a statement of insight porn, uttered for the feeling of truthy insight it gives, "not because it is the truth".

How useful is this to someone who actually wants "to see what's really going on"?

Comment author: [deleted] 09 September 2014 01:43:21AM 0 points [-]

It's a useful sketch of a type of experience. The experience is given a name. Armed with that name, you can choose to avoid it or not.

Comment author: RichardKennaway 09 September 2014 07:55:14AM 0 points [-]

It's a useful sketch of a type of experience.

Insight porn, in other words?

Comment author: Username 06 September 2014 06:13:16PM 5 points [-]

I downvoted this and another comment further up for not being about anything but nerd pandering, which I feel is just ego-boosting noise. Not the type of content I want to see on here.

Comment author: James_Miller 06 September 2014 06:31:11PM 1 point [-]

Well, if you think the quote doesn't say significantly more than "nerds are great" you are right to downvote it.

Comment author: therufs 06 September 2014 07:29:22PM 0 points [-]

I think the comment in this thread would have been equally relevant and possibly better without the last sentence, but don't see how the Cryptonomicon quote (which I assume to be the one you meant?) as nerd-pandering, since it doesn't imply value judgments from it about being or identifying as a nerd.

Comment author: Username 07 September 2014 03:55:50AM *  1 point [-]

The Cryptonomicron quote was great, I was talking about its child comment.

Comment author: Ixiel 10 September 2014 10:40:28PM 2 points [-]

That or the extent of the human capacity for pareidolia on waking.