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Comment author: MaximumLiberty 08 September 2014 03:54:55PM 8 points [-]

This is a god read: http://www.newrepublic.com/article/119321/harvard-ivy-league-should-judge-students-standardized-tests

Excerpt:

It seems to me that educated people should know something about the 13-billion-year prehistory of our species and the basic laws governing the physical and living world, including our bodies and brains. They should grasp the timeline of human history from the dawn of agriculture to the present. They should be exposed to the diversity of human cultures, and the major systems of belief and value with which they have made sense of their lives. They should know about the formative events in human history, including the blunders we can hope not to repeat. They should understand the principles behind democratic governance and the rule of law. They should know how to appreciate works of fiction and art as sources of aesthetic pleasure and as impetuses to reflect on the human condition. On top of this knowledge, a liberal education should make certain habits of rationality second nature. Educated people should be able to express complex ideas in clear writing and speech. They should appreciate that objective knowledge is a precious commodity, and know how to distinguish vetted fact from superstition, rumor, and unexamined conventional wisdom. They should know how to reason logically and statistically, avoiding the fallacies and biases to which the untutored human mind is vulnerable. They should think causally rather than magically, and know what it takes to distinguish causation from correlation and coincidence. They should be acutely aware of human fallibility, most notably their own, and appreciate that people who disagree with them are not stupid or evil. Accordingly, they should appreciate the value of trying to change minds by persuasion rather than intimidation or demagoguery.

Max L.

Comment author: Lumifer 08 September 2014 04:01:55PM 5 points [-]

Looks like they agree that specialization is for insects :-)

Comment author: ChristianKl 08 September 2014 11:17:09PM 5 points [-]

"They"? The author is Steven Pinker.

Comment author: jaibot 10 September 2014 07:07:26AM 7 points [-]

"They" can be singular or plural.

Comment author: Ixiel 10 September 2014 11:50:26PM *  1 point [-]

It is correct in the latter case, incorrect in the former. It largely doesn't matter, but recruiters I know, for example, throw out resumes for this particular error (though one had heard some schools actually encourage the practice, to the student's disservice) and some people (myself included until I thought better of it) think less of authors who make it. Linguistics as a discipline is descriptive, but people who are not linguists treat people differently for making errors.

Comment author: [deleted] 13 September 2014 04:02:47AM 1 point [-]

It's a bit more complicated than correct or incorrect:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Singular_they

Comment author: Ixiel 16 September 2014 11:51:14AM 1 point [-]

I agree with you as literally started, and am not a Wikipedia naysayer, but that again is descriptive linguistics. People do say that. People also do say "y'all aints gots no Beefaronis?" (One of my favorite examples heard by my own ears in a c store), and people do think differently of either than they do as what is sometimes called "blackboard grammar." I would recommend John McWhorter as a linguist who describes this better than I can. Or just say to yourself "huh, interesting opinion" and walk away; I swear I won't be offended :-)

Comment author: ShardPhoenix 13 September 2014 09:19:28AM 0 points [-]

but recruiters I know, for example, throw out resumes for this particular error

That's nuts.

Comment author: Ixiel 16 September 2014 11:41:30AM 2 points [-]

I don't think so, but either way, if one wants a job at GE, to use a recognizable example, one might want to know.

Comment author: Azathoth123 15 September 2014 02:56:20AM 2 points [-]

Why? It strikes me as a good way to sort out people who have bad attention to detail, as well as avoiding the SJW-types more interested in accusing everyone in the company of sexism than doing any actual work.