army1987 comments on What are your contrarian views? - Less Wrong

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Comment author: [deleted] 16 September 2014 01:34:12PM 1 point [-]

Can you see why the rope in my example would break or stretch, even if we're moving it very very slowly?

Comment author: Thomas 16 September 2014 01:48:10PM -1 points [-]

Your example isn't relevant for this discussion.

Comment author: [deleted] 16 September 2014 05:08:08PM 0 points [-]

Why not?

Comment author: Thomas 16 September 2014 06:25:25PM -2 points [-]

Look!

Not every relativistic projectile will be broken. And every projectile is relativistic, more or less.

Trying to escape from the Ehrenfest's paradox with saying - this starship breaks anyway - has a long tradition. Max Born invented that "exit".

Even if one advocates the breaking down of any torus which is moving/rotating relative to a stationary observer, he must explain why it breaks. And to explain the asymmetry created with this breakdown. Which internal/external forces caused it?

Resolving MM paradox with the Relativity created another trouble. Back to the drawing board!

Pretending that all is well is a regrettable attitude.

Comment author: [deleted] 17 September 2014 01:53:13PM 2 points [-]

Even if one advocates the breaking down of any torus which is moving/rotating relative to a stationary observer, he must explain why it breaks. And to explain the asymmetry created with this breakdown. Which internal/external forces caused it?

Why wouldn't that also apply to my rope example?

Comment author: Thomas 17 September 2014 05:31:10PM -1 points [-]

Each piece of the ring is longer as measured by an inertial observer comoving

We, at this problem, don't care for a "comoving" inertial observer. We care for the stationary observer in the center, who first see stationary and then rotating torus, which should contract. But only in the direction of moving.