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Comment author: D_Malik 22 September 2014 11:08:03PM 13 points [-]

Most people do not consume enough potassium. The RDA for potassium is high, and potassium deficiency seems to cause bad things like strokes. You'd need to eat ~8 bananas a day to satisfy your RDA (which isn't that surprising - the dastardly banana lobby has tried to cast bananas as high-potassium, but e.g. tomatoes have more). And excess potassium probably isn't very dangerous. Also, someone on LW (Kevin?) reported a nootropic effect from supplementing potassium.

Most people consume too much sodium. (There's been some uncertainty around whether excess sodium is actually bad, but it still seems clear that we consume more sodium than we need.)

Potassium and sodium can both be eaten in salts, which will taste pretty similar. Therefore, perhaps we could make health gains by replacing much of our table salt with potassium! Indeed, some people have to do this for health reasons, so the great machinery of capitalism has already done lots of work for us here. For instance, here you can buy 12x3oz of potassium salt (enough to last more than a year) in shakers for $15. I've been trying this out for a while and it tastes almost like normal salt.

I don't know much detail about nutrition, though, so this may be stupid for reasons I haven't thought of. Could someone who knows more about the relevant science please weigh in?

Comment author: ChristianKl 23 September 2014 10:59:55AM *  2 points [-]

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18710605 seems to be published article in support of your claim. It's from a Chinese source so results can be interpreted with a grain of salt ;)

http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/22/4/464.abstract is a Western source that also comes to the conlusion that potassium salt is good. Both sources recommend substitution with a miss of both salts. Given that nutrition is always about being in balance the idea of mixing seems good. That especially true as from what I can see potassium consumptions leads to increased sodium secretion so if you supplement potassium you might need more sodium than the average person.

However some people with renal failure to get problems through increased potassium consumption http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1124926/. Potassium also does seem to interfere with some blood pressure medications so someone who's on medication for high blood pressure shouldn't do this without speaking with his doctor.

I'm not 100% sure but I remember faintly that someone on LW got into problems by taking potassium as a nootropic.

Comment author: James_Miller 25 September 2014 04:52:57PM 0 points [-]

but I remember faintly that someone on LW got into problems by taking potassium as a nootropic.

I remember this too.

Comment author: gjm 26 September 2014 11:04:15AM 0 points [-]

You're not thinking of gwern and magnesium?

Comment author: gwern 27 September 2014 11:15:53PM 2 points [-]

Potassium didn't work out too well for me earlier either: http://www.gwern.net/Zeo#potassium

Kind of weird given how people generally seem to regard both potassium and magnesium as good to supplement. Someone mentioned that it might be important to keep the ratio of potassium:magnesium constant (so separate testing is not good) but I dunno how plausible that is.