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Comment author: sixes_and_sevens 29 September 2014 04:22:13PM 11 points [-]

Many of you are probably familiar with the Alpha Course, which uses the evangelistic technique of identifying common philosophical questions people might have about their life ("what's the point of it all?", "how can I be truly happy?", etc.) and answering it with something about finding the everlasting love of Jesus Christ.

It occurs to me that many aspiring rationalists probably have an analogous set of questions turning around in their heads before they find a like-minded group. For example: "I notice that a lot of people make silly mistakes when thinking about things; how can I stop myself from making these same mistakes?"

Hypothetically, if we (as in the broader rationalist community) were to construct an effective campaign to capture people in this state, what would it look like?

Comment author: Vulture 29 September 2014 06:13:36PM 4 points [-]

Also, where would we send them? I think that if we're going to do any kind of outreach we should set up a good subsidiary forum, to try and minimize Eternal September effects.

(As a model, the HPMoR subreddit seems to be something like this (albeit with a narrower focus) for a lot of people. The Less Wrong Lounge or something, maybe?)

Comment author: sixes_and_sevens 29 September 2014 06:42:16PM 2 points [-]

I've long been of the opinion that Less Wrong itself is weird enough to be offputting to a lot of people, but it's not the only obvious landing page any more. You could point people to Less Wrong or CFAR or Effective Altruism, or to the discourse-o-sphere for which SSC is an exemplar, or whatever other places I've forgotten. Hell, a reading list with a dozen popular books would be enough for the drive-by inquisitive lay-person.

Comment author: fortyeridania 29 September 2014 09:43:38PM 1 point [-]

What's SSC? I doubt it's one of these.

Comment author: gjm 30 September 2014 05:03:54PM 9 points [-]

Others have already explained what it stands for and provided a link; it may be worth adding that the author of that blog is also known on LW as Yvain, who once upon a time was one of the best and most prolific LW contributors; his particularly highly rated posts include one on the notion of "disease", one about metacontrarianism, one clarifying what it means when a model says something is almost certainly true, one on efficient charity, one introducing prospect theory, one about buying houses, one about Schelling fences, one about the worst argument in the world. (He's still one of the best but participates rather little.) He's also the guy who does the annual Less Wrong survey.

Comment author: fortyeridania 01 October 2014 06:33:18AM 2 points [-]

Yeah. I actually have read a fair bit of Yvain's blog. I just had never thought of abbreviating its name before, so I blanked when I saw "SSC."

That said, I am sure a lot of other readers of this thread may not have known about Yvain's contributions.

Comment author: ChristianKl 02 October 2014 09:54:28AM 2 points [-]

That said, I am sure a lot of other readers of this thread may not have known about Yvain's contributions.

Especially new readers who might find LW to abstract ;) It's good to avoid using too much abbreviations.

Comment author: polymathwannabe 29 September 2014 09:51:37PM 4 points [-]
Comment author: fortyeridania 29 September 2014 09:55:59PM 2 points [-]

Thanks.

Comment author: Randaly 29 September 2014 10:07:52PM 1 point [-]

SlateStarCodex.

Comment author: Vulture 30 September 2014 12:39:47AM 1 point [-]

I think it's usually written with spaces, though.

Comment author: Vulture 29 September 2014 06:48:44PM 1 point [-]

All excellent points. Now that I think about it, in practice I'm pretty sure I direct people more towards SSC.

Comment author: ChristianKl 30 September 2014 05:08:07PM 1 point [-]

At the moment I don't think we have good answers for the core questions. Good reasoning is hard. Pretending that it's possible by following a few quick fixes might make it easier to reach more people but it brings in people who don't belong.

Comment author: gjm 30 September 2014 10:06:18PM 1 point [-]

I take it the point is to bring in people who don't belong yet but who might turn out to belong when they've thought about it some more.

(Not necessarily to Less Wrong as such -- which might do best to remain a forum for sometimes-intimidatingly-technical discussion that preferentially attracts the very clever -- but to "the broader rationalist community".)

Comment author: [deleted] 06 October 2014 10:05:32AM 0 points [-]

(Not necessarily to Less Wrong as such -- which might do best to remain a forum for sometimes-intimidatingly-technical discussion that preferentially attracts the very clever -- but to "the broader rationalist community".)

I'm not sure to what degree we should deliberately constitute a "rationalist community" if we want to raise the sanity waterline among the population at large rather than make friends with other nerds who like all the same stuff as us.

Comment author: [deleted] 06 October 2014 10:03:57AM 0 points [-]

Well, firstly, I'd start handing out copies of Good and Real, because the kinds of people who join LW largely have the same big-picture questions in our heads as everyone else.