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Comment author: Azathoth123 04 October 2014 06:46:19AM 2 points [-]

I don't believe I said anything about what society should condemn.

Well, your arguments only make sense if that is how your interpreting amoral.

My interest started with this, as my post noted, and it mostly focuses on determing the morality of the action solely on the basis of mental states, past and present.

KPier's whole argument is that the morality of the action depends on the objective conditions of the ship and the objective evidence available to the owner. The owner's mental processes are moral (or amoral) to the extend they cause his beliefs to aline (or fail to aline) with reality.

As far as guilt, do you think Marx's ghost should feel guilty about the results of his philosophy, or should he just say "well I tried to improve the world"?

Comment author: Lumifer 05 October 2014 03:23:33AM 1 point [-]

Well, your arguments only make sense if that is how your interpreting amoral.

That sounds strange to me, can you expand on that?

KPier's whole argument is that the morality of the action depends on the objective conditions of the ship and the objective evidence available to the owner.

So then he disagrees with W.J.Clifford, doesn't he? The Clifford quote is all about subjective.

Comment author: Azathoth123 07 October 2014 03:15:27AM 0 points [-]

That sounds strange to me, can you expand on that?

You're objections amount the the claim that "being able to be evaluated by outside observers" should be a property of morality. This is a necessary property of theory of what society should condemn, it is less clear why it's a necessary property of morality.

So then he disagrees with W.J.Clifford, doesn't he? The Clifford quote is all about subjective.

And the reason the owner's mental process is immoral is because it leads the owner to evaluate the evidence incorrectly.

Comment author: Lumifer 07 October 2014 03:04:25PM 0 points [-]

You're objections amount the the claim that "being able to be evaluated by outside observers" should be a property of morality.

Um, no, I don't think so. I don't think I'm making any claims about properties of morality. Mostly, I'm just poking KPier's/Clifford's position to check for coherence.

because it leads the owner to evaluate the evidence incorrectly.

As I posted before I don't find any objective evidence in that quote besides the two observations that the ship was old and ship sank.

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