AndHisHorse comments on Rationality Quotes October 2014 - Less Wrong

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Comment author: AndHisHorse 20 October 2014 11:16:26PM 0 points [-]

I wouldn't say that it's an ad hominem quote. I disagree with the premise - that censorship is a "default position regarding so many things" within progressivism - but I think that the link between censorship as a default position and a fear of the survivability-under-discussion of one's own ideas is a rationally visible one. Unlike a typical example of an ad hominem attack, the undesirable behavior (fiat elimination of competing ideas as a default response) is related to the conclusion (that the individual is afraid of the effects of competing ideas). It's oversimplified, but one can say only so much in a short quip.

Comment author: Manfred 21 October 2014 12:33:21AM *  1 point [-]

Would the term "genetic argument" be better, do you think? Fewer emotional associations, certainly :P

Anyhow, what I meant to indicate is arguments of the form "Person or group X's argument is wrong because X has trait Y." Example: "Rossi's claims of fusion are wrong because he's been shown to be a fraud before." fits this category. Rather than examining any specific argument, we are taking it "to the man."

And I agree that these arguments can absolutely be valid. But if there is any kind of emotionally-charged disagreement, then not only is making this sort of "rhetorical move" not going to help you persuade anybody (it can be fine as a way to preach to the choir of course), but if someone presents an argument like this to you, you should give it much less credence than if you were discussing a trivial matter. I think "fallacy" can also mean a knife that people often cut themselves with.