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Comment author: VAuroch 08 October 2014 09:01:54AM *  18 points [-]

I accept all the argument for why one should be an effective altruist, and yet I am not, personally, an EA. This post gives a pretty good avenue for explaining how and why. I'm in Daniel's position up through chunk 4, and reach the state of mind where

everything is his problem. The only reason he's not dropping everything to work on ALS is because there are far too many things to do first.

and find it literally unbearable. All of a sudden, it's clear that to be a good person is to accept the weight of the world on your shoulders. This is where my path diverges; EA says "OK, then, that's what I'll do, as best I can"; from my perspective, it's swallowing the bullet. At this point, your modus ponens is my modus tollens; I can't deal with what the argument would require of me, so I reject the premise. I concluded that I am not a good person and won't be for the foreseeable future, and limited myself to the weight of my chosen community and narrowly-defined ingroup.

I don't think you're wrong to try to convert people to EA. It does bear remembering, though, that not everyone is equipped to deal with this outlook, and some people will find that trying to shut up and multiply is lastingly unpleasant, such that an altruistic outlook becomes significantly aversive.

Comment author: [deleted] 05 May 2015 08:24:34PM 0 points [-]

I concluded that I am not a good person and won't be for the foreseeable future

Super relevant slatestarcodex post: Nobody Is Perfect, Everything is Commensurable.

Comment author: VAuroch 10 May 2015 05:48:30AM 0 points [-]

Read that at the time and again now. Doesn't help. Setting threshold less than perfect still not possible; perfection would itself be insufficient. I recognize that this is a problem but it is an intractable one and looks to remain so for the foreseeable future.

Comment author: [deleted] 11 May 2015 04:20:04AM *  0 points [-]

But what about the quantitative way? :(

Edit: Forget that... I finally get it. Like, really get it. You said:

and find it literally unbearable. All of a sudden, it's clear that to be a good person is to accept the weight of the world on your shoulders

Oh, my gosh... I think that's why I gave up Christianity. I wish I could say I gave it up because I wanted to believe what's true, but that's probably not true. Honestly, I probably gave it up because having the power to impact someone else's eternity through outreach or prayer, and sometimes not using that power, was literally unbearable for me. I considered it selfish to do anything that promoted mere earthly happiness when the Bible implied that outreach and prayer might impact someone's eternal soul.

And now I think that, personally, being raised Christian might have been an incredible blessing. Otherwise, I might have shared your outlook. But after 22 years of believing in eternal souls, actions with finite effects don't seem nearly as important as they probably would had I not come from the perspective that people's lives on earth are just specks, just one-infinitieth total existence.