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Aiyen:
I think the place I would start -- and did start -- is with the question, "Have I ever personally experienced a miracle?" I quickly discarded most possibilities and came down to just a few, all of which were fundamentally a strong of events, each of which was individually highly unlikely. But unlikely things happen every day, so that's not enough to say it is a miracle.
Next, I would ask if people I personally know and trust have experienced miracles. I'd ask them about their experiences. For me, I knew no one who had experienced anything that sounded like a miracle. Again, there were some unlikely coincidences, but that's not really enough. If one of them claimed to have experienced a true miracle, then I'd keep evaluating their credibility over a long period of time. Does their story change? Reasonable consistency would be more credible. Do they act like I would expect them to act if they had really experienced a miracle? A non-believer suddenly becoming a devout missionary in the absence of any personal crisis would be credible. Do they get anything by claiming to have experienced a miracle? Someone getting attention from conspicuous religiosity is less credible for me, though that doesn't necessarily make sense: if I had personally experienced a miracle, I'd think that I would sell off all my worldly possessions to talk about it as much as possible. Is this yet another in a series of flighty decisions? Going from new age to confused to born-again is not very persuasive for me. And so on.
Finally, given that people have cell phones with cameras now, and given that virtually everything else shows up on YouTube, I would think that there would be at least some credible video. I'd also think that I wouldn't be able to analyze whether it is credible, given the possibility of a good special effects studio. But I bet someone else would and that I would hear about a truly inexplicable video.
Max L.
Um, most of the miracles I've herd are not the kind that seem miraculous in a video stripped of context.
That itself is a point against the existence of miracles. If miracles don't exist, you'd expect that all reports of miracles look like non-miracles on video. The result is entirely expected if miracles don't exist, but extremely contrived if they do.
Faith Healing doesn't look like much on a video. A person with cancers who stops having cancer doesn't suddenly look different.
If faith healing only does one specific thing, that's a plausible explanation: perhaps by chance the one specific thing it does doesn't look good on video.
But faith healing isn't supposed to do only one specific thing. It supposedly can heal a lot of different things--yet somehow all of the things it heals don't look good on video. That's a much bigger coincidence--why can't it restore lost limbs, or cause scars to vanish in seconds, or grow hair on a bald person, yet it can cure hundreds of different conditions, as long as they're indistinguishable on video from not-curing?