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Bostrom flies by an issue that's very important:
Back up. The population of Europe was under 200 million in 1700, less than a sixth of what it is today. The number of intellectuals was a tiny fraction of the number it is today. And the number of intellectuals in Athens in the 4th century BC was probably a few hundred. Yet we had Newton and Aristotle. Similarly, the greatest composers of the 18th and 19th century were trained in Vienna, one city. Today we may have 1000 or 10,000 times as many composers, with much better musical training than people could have in the days before recorded music, yet we do not have 1000 Mozarts or 1000 Beethovens.
Unless you believe human intelligence has been steadily declining, there is one Einstein per generation, regardless of population. The limiting factor is not the number of geniuses. The number of geniuses, and the amount of effort put into science, is nearly irrelevant to the amount of genius-level work accomplished and disseminated.
The limiting factor is organizational. Scientific activity can scale; recognition or propagation of it doesn't. If you graphed scientific output over the years in terms of "important things discovered and adopted by the community" / (scientists * dollars per scientist), you'd see an astonishing exponential decay toward zero. I measured science and technology output per scientist using four different lists of significant advances, and found that significant advances per scientist declined by 3 to 4 orders of magnitude from 1800 to 2000. During that time, the number of scientific journals has increased by 3 to 4 orders of magnitude, and a reasonable guess is that so did the number of scientists. Total recognized "significant" scientific output is independent of the number of scientists working!
You can't just add scientists and money and get anything like proportional output. The scientific community can't absorb or even be aware of most of the information produced. Nor can it allocate funds or research areas efficiently.
So a critical question when thinking about super-intelligences is, How does the efficiency of intelligence scale with resources? Not linearly. To a first approximation, adding more scientists at this point accomplishes nothing.
On the other hand, merely recognizing and solving the organizational problems of science that we currently have would produce results similar to a fast singularity.
I'd be really interested in reading more about this.
If you email philgoetz at gmail, I'll send you a draft.
Er, or not. The number of publications per scientist has risen dramatically, but so has the number of authors per paper. I don't know if these cancel each other out.