JoshuaFox comments on What math is essential to the art of rationality? - Less Wrong

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Comment author: JoshuaFox 17 October 2014 05:55:02AM *  0 points [-]

the supereconomy giant size really is a good deal

Yes, arithmetic does come in useful, for example in those cases.

Knowing prob/stats/causality, you can dismiss a lot of reporting as junk, and be able to say exactly why. yet I find myself solving those from time to time,

Can you give an example of when you have used actual arithmetical calculations to explain why some prob/stats/causality were junk, or where you solved a quadratic equation?

Comment author: RichardKennaway 17 October 2014 07:23:24AM 2 points [-]

the supereconomy giant size really is a good deal

Yes, arithmetic does come in useful, for example in those cases.

It's not some minor trick, like how to fold a t-shirt, it's useful everywhere.

Can you give an example of when you have used actual arithmetical calculations to explain why some prob/stats/causality were junk, or where you solved a quadratic equation?

It's common enough that I don't even notice it as a thing. But for example, a political survey shows a 2% advantage for one party. The sample size is given and I know at once that the result is noise. (sigma = sqrt(pqN).) Knowing how correlation and causality relate to each other disposes of a lot of bad reporting, and some bad research. Or I want to generate random numbers with a certain distribution; that easily leads to pages of algebra and trigonomentry.

For a more extensive illustration of how knowing all this stuff enables you to see the world, see gwern's web site.

Comment author: JoshuaFox 17 October 2014 07:55:29AM *  0 points [-]

Certainly, it is useful everywhere to understand. But very few people actually run calculations (other than basic arithmetic). Gwern and you are very rare exceptions. I think the world could use more of that.

Comment author: RichardKennaway 17 October 2014 09:14:41AM 2 points [-]

I am greatly flattered to be mentioned in the same breath as Gwern. The world could indeed use a lot more Gwerns.

But it's like what lionhearted just posted about history: when you know this sort of thing, you see its use. And by seeing its use, you can do things that would not previously have come to your attention as possibilities.