Elund comments on 2014 Less Wrong Census/Survey - Less Wrong

88 Post author: Yvain 26 October 2014 06:05PM

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Comment author: Gunnar_Zarncke 24 October 2014 06:20:14AM *  34 points [-]

Most comments show exactly one downvote without a clear pattern why. I'd guess that a single person downvoted all these short comments. Can it be that this user doesn't know the custom of upvoting survey-takers?

ADDED 2014-10-25T16:20 UTC: The single downvotes disappeared.

ADDED 2014-10-26T21:10 UTC: The single downvotes reappeared again (at least for a lot of high scoring comments).

Comment author: Elund 02 November 2014 06:36:30PM 0 points [-]

At first I thought this person would only downvote short comments that have little content beyond saying that the user took the survey, but I've since noticed that even "I took the survey" comments with very detailed critiques are getting the single downvotes. My guess is this person doesn't like the idea of some people getting 100% positive ratings through posting only survey comments, as survey comments would be the easiest way to attain that otherwise, or thinks that the amount of karma awarded by other users for these comments (even the detailed ones) is too much, and that karma should mainly be reserved for quality discussions.

Personally I think the amount of karma awarded for the short and simple survey comments should be based on the difficulty, time commitment, and benefit from having people take these surveys, but I think the amount of karma being awarded already is in line with that. Sure, there might be a few people lying by saying they took the survey when they in fact didn't, but I suspect that's pretty rare. I would like it though if there were some users who prioritized quality in deciding whether to upvote comments, so that it would be easier for people to quickly locate the most useful comments when they choose the "Sort by: Best" option.

Comment author: TobyBartels 03 November 2014 06:45:28AM 1 point [-]

That's what I've been doing: voting as I normally do, based on quality, regardless of tradition.

Comment author: Elund 03 November 2014 02:21:37PM *  2 points [-]

I've been doing that too actually, although I am somewhat tempted to upvote some of the recent survey-takers just to make the playing field more equal for people whose other time commitments made them unable to take the survey very early.

I thought about suggesting to Yvain to edit his post by including a suggestion for people who have finished the survey to check back again later to upvote new survey-takers, but I get the impression he may prefer having this incentive against people procrastinating on taking the survey. It does at least mean that on average, the more heavily involved LWers are going to be awarded more karma since they're more likely to notice the survey as soon as it's posted.

This however has to be weighed against the disincentive for latecomers to take the survey if they didn't see or were otherwise unable to take the survey early. (Yvain has also on occasion made little changes to the survey after it's been posted, but I don't think that's enough to be a good incentive to take it later.)

Comment author: Vulture 06 November 2014 01:57:43AM 1 point [-]

(Yvain has also on occasion made little changes to the survey after it's been posted, but I don't think that's enough to be a good incentive to take it later.)

I'm strongly considering it for next year.

Comment author: Elund 06 November 2014 03:07:41AM 1 point [-]

From what people have said, it seems that after the survey was posted a new question was added about our favorite LW post. Were there any others?

Comment author: TobyBartels 06 November 2014 08:01:06PM 0 points [-]

I really want to know this, and maybe you should make it a top-level comment. (Or maybe I should.)

I feel cheated by taking it as soon as I saw it.

Comment author: Elund 06 November 2014 08:07:34PM 1 point [-]

Done.