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Comment author: fubarobfusco 01 November 2014 05:53:58PM 3 points [-]

I've seen a few discussions recently where people seem to argue past one another because they're using different senses of the terms "subjective" and "objective".

Some things are called "subjective" because they are parametrized by subject. For instance, everyone who can see has a field of vision, but no two people have the same field of vision (because two people can't stand in the same spot at the same time). However, we can reason and calculate accurately about someone else's field of vision.

Other things are called "subjective" because they are internal to a subject. For instance, since humans are not telepathic we don't have access to the thoughts or mood of another person. The only way we can discover them is by being told about them — or, theoretically, brain-scans — and even this doesn't convey how it feels to be that person.

Comment author: ChristianKl 02 November 2014 06:38:41PM 0 points [-]

For instance, since humans are not telepathic we don't have access to the thoughts or mood of another person. The only way we can discover them is by being told about them — or, theoretically, brain-scans

I think various people are better at mood detection via reading body language than brain-scans. Both brain scans and reading body language are cases where you have partial information and use that to do pattern matching. I have multiple experiences where I meet people who can perceive my own mood better than I can myself.

There are many times where I get a better idea about someone mood by hugging that person then by asking them verbally and them telling me about how they feel.