dougclow comments on Maybe you want to maximise paperclips too - Less Wrong

43 Post author: dougclow 30 October 2014 09:40PM

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Comment author: shminux 30 October 2014 11:17:20PM 24 points [-]

What you are describing is an accidental Clippy, just like humans are accidental CO2 maximizers. Which is a fair point, if we meet what looks like an alien Clippy, we should not jump to conclusions that paperclip maximizing is its terminal value.

Also, just to nitpick, if you have a lot of mass available, it would make sense to lump all this iron together and make a black hole, as you can extract a lot more energy from throwing stuff toward it than from the nuclear fusion proper. Or you can use fusion first, then throw the leftover iron bricks into the accreting furnace.

So the accidental Clippy would likely present as a black hole maximizer.

Comment author: dougclow 31 October 2014 06:53:00AM 2 points [-]

Yes, good point that I hadn't thought of, thanks. It's very easy to imagine far-future technology in one respect and forget about it entirely in another.

To rescue my scenario a little, there'll be an energy cost in transporting the iron together; the cheapest way is to move it very slowly. So maybe there'll be paperclips left for a period of time between the first pass of the harvesters and the matter ending up at the local black hole harvester.

Comment author: DuncanS 31 October 2014 10:43:14PM 0 points [-]

And of course you can throw black holes into black holes as well, and extract even more energy. The end game is when you have just one big black hole, and nothing left to throw in it. At that point you then have to change strategy and wait for the black hole to give off Hawking radiation until it completely evaporates.

But all these things can happen later - there's no reason for not going through a paperclip maximization step first, if you're that way inclined...

Comment author: Gunnar_Zarncke 03 November 2014 10:05:13PM 0 points [-]

Except if you're really a paperclip maximizer.