polymathwannabe comments on Rationality Quotes November 2014 - Less Wrong

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Comment author: polymathwannabe 05 November 2014 09:36:08PM -1 points [-]

The dialogues in the film versions of Atlas Shrugged always felt bland and lame to me until I realized that the "good ones" were saying their lines as "good ones." When I read the book, I felt instinctively drawn to imagining the "good ones" saying their lines as "villains." When you read Dagny as the villain, her dialogues feel much more potent.

Comment author: NancyLebovitz 20 November 2014 05:18:28PM 2 points [-]

Really? Perhaps I should reread at least some of Atlas Shrugged from that angle, but I don't see how wanting to run a railroad competently can be read as villianous.

Comment author: Strange7 02 December 2014 05:34:31PM 0 points [-]

Pretend to be a radical environmentalist or something.

Comment author: Luke_A_Somers 05 December 2014 08:46:48PM 0 points [-]

I see this for John Galt and to a lesser extent d'Anconia, and basically not at all from Dagny.

Comment author: polymathwannabe 05 December 2014 09:35:27PM -1 points [-]

"If you think that I need your men more than they need me, choose accordingly. If you know that I can run an engine, but they can't build a railroad, choose according to that. Now are you going to forbid your men to run that train?"

"I didn't say we'd forbid it. I haven't said anything about forbidding. But... but you can't force men to risk their lives on something nobody's ever tried before."

"I'm not going to force anyone to take that run."

That was the moment when I first sensed she was the villain. She knows the construction of the line involves uncertain and untested safety conditions, so she won't "force" anyone to work there, because she doesn't need to: she knows the workers need the job anyway, and they have actually very little choice. You can clearly feel the implied manipulation behind her statement.

Comment author: Vaniver 05 December 2014 10:04:37PM 2 points [-]

That was the moment when I first sensed she was the villain. She knows the construction of the line involves uncertain and untested safety conditions, so she won't "force" anyone to work there, because she doesn't need to: she knows the workers need the job anyway, and they have actually very little choice. You can clearly feel the implied manipulation behind her statement.

I remember reading that section entirely differently, but it's been a few years and so my memory might be off. I got the feel that people were jockeying for the honor of being on the first run, because it was exciting, and so employing force to find workers is entirely unnecessary.