jkaufman comments on Link: Rob Bensinger on Less Wrong and vegetarianism - Less Wrong

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Comment author: jkaufman 17 November 2014 07:42:02PM 1 point [-]

Why ">" and not "="? Is this true for other animals too or are cows special?

Comment author: MrMind 18 November 2014 08:16:58AM *  0 points [-]

Well... the example ran away like this: "If there was a fire and I was given the option of saving just the cow or just the person, I would save the cow". Presumably it would be the same with a pig or a dog.
This is a trasposed version of the trolley situation: 'I would not actively kill any human, but given the choice, I consider a cow to be more valuable'.
The motivating reason was something on the line of "humans are inherently evil, while animals are incapable of evil".

Comment author: Raemon 18 November 2014 05:02:54AM 0 points [-]

Tentative guess: Humans are considered to have negative value because (among other things) they kill cows (carbon footprint, etc)

Also they might just not be rational.

Comment author: Lumifer 18 November 2014 05:21:44AM 1 point [-]

Humans are considered to have negative value

Kill them all.

Comment author: Raemon 18 November 2014 05:39:32AM 0 points [-]

I've seen it argued.

Comment author: Lumifer 18 November 2014 05:46:03AM 1 point [-]

Notably by Agent Smith from the Matrix.

People who argue this can start with themselves.

Comment author: Raemon 18 November 2014 05:50:51AM 0 points [-]

I think there's a pretty solid case for that being a non-optimal solution, even if you've bought all their other premises. (There's not enough of them for a single or even mass suicides to inspire other people to do so, and then they'd just lose the longterm memetic war)

Comment author: Lumifer 18 November 2014 05:57:09AM 1 point [-]

then they'd just lose the longterm memetic war

I am quite confident of this result, anyway. Actually, I don't see any chances for a memetic war at all, never mind long-term X-)