Gleb_Tsipursky comments on Intentionally Raising the Sanity Waterline - Less Wrong

12 Post author: Gleb_Tsipursky 13 November 2014 08:25PM

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Comment author: Gleb_Tsipursky 14 November 2014 04:06:44PM 2 points [-]

Appreciate your thoughts about the video, we will work on better camera equipment and technique. As you can envision, we are a new nonprofit, and our current financing prevents us from being able to get the best video equipment and production. However, I hope you'll agree that this video is better than not doing anything at all to raise the sanity waterline and we aim to get better over time :-)

running an NGO to try to remove social stigma conjures certain associations that are quite different from what I expect an NGO who effectively spreads rationality to do

Hm, I am curious about that statement. I would envision that spreading rationality would inherently involve removing certain social stigma because it would result in people thinking more rationally, and much social stigma is associated with not-very-rational thinking.

Comment author: Lumifer 14 November 2014 04:10:42PM 3 points [-]

much social stigma is associated with not-very-rational thinking.

Much social stigma is associated with different values and rationality by itself does not change (terminal) values.

Comment author: Gleb_Tsipursky 14 November 2014 04:17:37PM *  1 point [-]

To clarify, my probabilistic assessment is that increasing rational thinking would result in at least some degree of decreasing social stigma. Your thoughts?

Comment author: Lumifer 14 November 2014 04:34:47PM 2 points [-]

I don't know why it would. Social stigma is basically the expression of the they-are-from-a-different-tribe feeling. Becoming more rational does not necessarily lead to less tribalism.

Rationality and values are mostly orthogonal.

Comment author: Gleb_Tsipursky 14 November 2014 04:59:13PM 1 point [-]

I think we may have a different take on the term social stigma. Per the common usage of that word, as well as the way it is used by researchers such as Erving Goffman, I generally perceive things such as sexual orientation and gender identity as part of what is referred to by social stigma. To me it seems that gaining greater rationality is generally associated with less ugh fields around sexual orientation and gender identity, as well as relationship styles such as polyamory. I accept that we may have a difference of opinion, however.