Hi Robin
What is significantly different between poor people and slaves? The poor have little means of travel, they must work for others often doing stuff they hate doing, just to get enough to survive. In many historical societies slaves often had better conditions and housing than many of the poor today.
How would you get security in such a system? How would anyone of wealth feel safe amongst those at the bottom of the distribution curve?
The sense of injustice is strong in humans - one of those secondary stabilising strategies that empower cooperation.
It is actually relatively easy to automate all the jobs that no-one wants to do, so that people only do what they want to do. In such a world, there is no need of money or markets.
There are actually of lot of geeks like me who love to automate processes (including the process of automation).
Market based thinking was a powerful tool in times of genuine scarcity. Now that we have the power to deliver universal abundance, market based thinking is the single greatest impediment to the delivery of universal security and universal abundance.
Poverty doesn't require that you work for others; most in history were poor, but were not employees. Through most of history rich people did in fact feel safe among the poor. They didn't hang there because that made them lower status. You can only deliver universal abundance if you coordinate to strongly limit population growth. So you mean abundance for the already existing, and the worse poverty possible for the not-yet-existing.
This is part of a weekly reading group on Nick Bostrom's book, Superintelligence. For more information about the group, and an index of posts so far see the announcement post. For the schedule of future topics, see MIRI's reading guide.
Welcome. This week we discuss the eighteenth section in the reading guide: Life in an algorithmic economy. This corresponds to the middle of Chapter 11.
This post summarizes the section, and offers a few relevant notes, and ideas for further investigation. Some of my own thoughts and questions for discussion are in the comments.
There is no need to proceed in order through this post, or to look at everything. Feel free to jump straight to the discussion. Where applicable and I remember, page numbers indicate the rough part of the chapter that is most related (not necessarily that the chapter is being cited for the specific claim).
Reading: “Life in an algorithmic economy” from Chapter 11
Summary
Another view
Robin Hanson on others' hasty distaste for a future of emulations:
More on whose lives are worth living here and here.
Notes
1. Robin Hanson is probably the foremost researcher on what the finer details of an economy of emulated human minds would be like. For instance, which company employees would run how fast, how big cities would be, whether people would hang out with their copies. See a TEDx talk, and writings here, here, here and here (some overlap - sorry). He is also writing a book on the subject, which you can read early if you ask him.
2. Bostrom says,
It's true this might happen, but it doesn't seem like an especially likely scenario to me. As Bostrom has pointed out in various places earlier, biological humans would do quite well if they have some investments in capital, do not have too much of their property stolen or artfully manouvered away from them, and do not undergo too massive population growth themselves. These risks don't seem so large to me.
In-depth investigations
If you are particularly interested in these topics, and want to do further research, these are a few plausible directions, some inspired by Luke Muehlhauser's list, which contains many suggestions related to parts of Superintelligence. These projects could be attempted at various levels of depth.
How to proceed
This has been a collection of notes on the chapter. The most important part of the reading group though is discussion, which is in the comments section. I pose some questions for you there, and I invite you to add your own. Please remember that this group contains a variety of levels of expertise: if a line of discussion seems too basic or too incomprehensible, look around for one that suits you better!
Next week, we will talk about the possibility of a multipolar outcome turning into a singleton later. To prepare, read “Post-transition formation of a singleton?” from Chapter 11. The discussion will go live at 6pm Pacific time next Monday 19 January. Sign up to be notified here.