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The articles we have on the website are quite diverse, including on agency and on dual process theory, as my comments above made clear. The article on poly had a pretty strong focus on using rational thinking to re-assesses cached thoughts about relationships as well as many other life domains. What are your thoughts on the benefits of using rational thinking to re-assess our cached patterns?
Where by "rational thinking" you mean examining two scenarios that are meant to rhetorically function as a false alternative.
GLEB WHY ARE YOU PAYING PEOPLE ON AMAZON MECHANICAL TURK TO UPVOTE YOUR COMMENTS?
Source https://archive.today/bJGcu .
Edit: I should point out that this doesn't prove that Gleb paid for upvotes, only that someone with a username of Gleb paid for Gleb to get upvotes. I'm leaving it to the moderator to determine what happened and deal with it.
Hi ike! As a moderator of this website, I would appreciate if next time when you believe you have an evidence of abusing votes, you would (also) send me a private message with the data, instead of contributing to the spiral of strategic downvoting and upvoting. I am usually reading LW almost every day, but I cannot read all articles and all comments.
If there is a pattern of "new users, upvoting Gleb and not doing anything else", it will be visible in the database, and I will deal with it. At this moment, everyone please don't strategically downvote or anything like that. Thanks!
It seems like an attempt to illustrate the issue with someone claiming to do dark arts.
If "Ends Justify Means" there wouldn't be a problem with paying people on Mechanical Turks to upvote posts. On the other hand to the extend that you don't believe "Ends Justify Means" then there's obviously an issue with it.
The account that first accused Gleb in capital letters is newly registered.
Still, making damage to illustrate a point is not a nice thing to do.
The task statement there (whether or not it's a real Mechanical Turk task, whether or not it was posted by Gleb_Tsipursky) claims that Gleb_Tsipursky can see who has upvoted his articles and pay accordingly. Of course this is not true, and anyone actually setting up such a task would be unable to determine whom to pay, and would end up either paying people who never actually did anything or else not paying people who did.
I think this looks more like a framing attempt than like a genuine attempt by Gleb_Tsipursky to buy upvotes.
[EDITED to add:] Oops, the above is in fact quite wrong, as ike points out: anyone can see what articles any given user has upvoted. I still think it's quite likely that GT is being framed, but the particular reason I gave here is bogus.
That's not actually true. Anyone can easily see any posts I've upvoted here or for that matter see Gleb's upvoted posts here. The Turk task asks for the usernames, which can then be checked to see which posts they've upvoted.
Yow, you're right. So:
They are too iff the user has “Make my votes public” checked in their preferences. Same with upvotes.
Oh, hey, another thing I didn't know about. Thanks. Not surprisingly given that it's a non-default preference, it seems not to be used much. (I checked the 15 people in the most-karma-in-30-days list and two had it enabled: NancyLebovitz and Capla.)
Thanks for the support! As I mentioned in this comment, the Mechanical Turk requester's name was not mine, as my name on Amazon is Gleb11, as reflective of my gmail account (gleb11@gmail.com). I took a screenshot of my account name and uploaded it here as evidence. The moderators are looking into this issue now, and I hope it will be resolved soon.
FWIW, I asked them to take away any upvotes on my posts that came from spambot-style accounts. I don't want any upvotes that don't represent the actual good-will and support of the community.
I just saw the comments about the Mechanical Turk issue. Thanks for bringing that to my attention, I really appreciate it!
I knew that I might've stirred up some feelings with my discussion of polyamory, and a lot of people have downvoted my comments for no clear reasons.
But I never thought someone on here would go so far as to try and frame me. The Mechanical Turk requester's name was not mine, as my name on Amazon is Gleb11, as reflective of my gmail account (gleb11@gmail.com). I took a screenshot of my account name and uploaded it here as evidence
I'm going to take this whole thing up with the mods before it gets even more out-of-hand. Thanks again!
Ok, I contacted the moderators and asked them to look into the matter. As part of that, I requested that they take away any upvotes on my posts that came from spambot-style accounts. I don't want any upvotes that don't represent the actual good-will and support of the community.
Link doesn't work anymore? Glen is actually extremely socially calibrated. I just say this vid. I thought he would be autistic. Perhaps I've (and we've) unfairly bullied him and are jealous of his writing output. Plus, his wife is super hot. I wish we could get to the bottom of why so many of us feel his writing is 'off'. I think it's just the self-promotion aspect of it - tooting his own horn. But maybe that's okay.
I fixed the link, the period at the end was messing it up.