Azathoth123 comments on Neo-reactionaries, why are you neo-reactionary? - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Azathoth123 20 November 2014 10:01:04AM *  0 points [-]

consent seem relatively objective.

Is so called "marital rape" consensual since they consented to marry? (Most societies say yes, but lately in has become fashionable in Western countries to pass laws saying no).

What if someone says yes but feels pressured to?

If two drunk students had sex, has a rape occurred? (Yes, according to California's new "Affirmative Consent" law).

Comment author: skeptical_lurker 20 November 2014 08:25:39PM 0 points [-]

Is so called "marital rape" consensual since they consented to marry?

A contract where one party permanently gives away all rights (love, honour and obey) seems deeply worrying, but OTOH, I don't think people should take serious vows so lightly. Maybe a middle ground would be that a spouse can refuse sex, but this is grounds for divorce and they have no claim for alimony because they broke their half of the agreement? Either that, or don't use the traditional vows.

What if someone says yes but feels pressured to?

What if someone only robs a bank because of peer pressure? Still guilty.

If two drunk students had sex, has a rape occurred?

It depends exactly what 'drunk' means. If someone is paralytic and can't actually articulate the word 'no' then its rape. But drunk sex is perfectly normal, and if you consent to getting drunk then you are responsible for your actions while drunk.

Comment author: Ritalin 20 November 2014 12:08:07PM -1 points [-]

... Why students specifically?

Comment author: Lumifer 20 November 2014 04:22:49PM 5 points [-]

Because it is ridiculous with respect to adults and California politicians think they can get away with infantilizing students and treating them like legal minors.

Comment author: Azathoth123 22 November 2014 05:09:12AM 2 points [-]

Actually, I suspect they're hoping to keep getting away with infantilizing that generation even after they leave college.

Comment author: Lumifer 22 November 2014 05:30:56AM 0 points [-]

Oh, I am sure they're dreaming of it, but I don't think it will quite work. Not yet, at least.