FAWS comments on Not for the Sake of Happiness (Alone) - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Polymeron 24 March 2011 01:36:21PM 0 points [-]

That people don't know what will make them happy does not invalidate what I said. They could well have desires they are not fully aware of, or are not aware of their current strength.

Nor does there need to be a coupling in time between happiness and desire. Happiness is not an immediate feedback mechanism like pleasure; it is gradual. You can be happy for fulfilling a desire you had, and that feeling persists - for a time.

If fulfilling a desire you had makes you less happy, it is because either: a. You have lost the desire between the time you had it and the time it became fulfilled b. Other desires (more and stronger) have been thwarted c. A combination of the two.

Can you bring an example of this mechanism working differently?

Comment author: FAWS 24 March 2011 02:00:23PM *  0 points [-]

That people don't know what will make them happy does not invalidate what I said. They could well have desires they are not fully aware of, or are not aware of their current strength.

How do (partially) unaware desires figure into anything if what matters is "the belief that your desires are being fulfilled"? And if you infer anything about desires from lack of happiness I don't think you have successfully reduced anything. I'd agree there seems to be some connection between happiness and fulfilling desires but it certainly doesn't look like a simple, solved problem to me.

Can you bring an example of this mechanism working differently?

I think winning the lottery is the usual example. Or take early retirement.