Tyrrell_McAllister comments on Is arguing worth it? If so, when and when not? Also, how do I become less arrogant? - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Tyrrell_McAllister 05 December 2014 11:13:13PM *  0 points [-]

Yes.

As I added in my reply to him, his reply did help me with other parts of his argument. But I needed more iterations of questions and clarifications before I could understand that particular phrase better.

This doesn't seem to me like wasted effort, though, because I expect that what he did clarify would have helped me to understand that particular phrase, had we continued to discuss it. So, while I can't explain that particular phrase better than I could before, I expect that I am closer to understanding it. Certainly, partial illumination of the argument surrounding a specific sentence is normally the preamble to full illumination of that specific sentence, if this full illumination ever happens.

Comment author: brazil84 06 December 2014 01:38:25AM 1 point [-]

Yes.

That's generally consistent with my experience. As I alluded to at the start of this exchange, when I seek clarification of someone's position, it's unusual for the person to actually provide it. No matter how polite or respectful I am.

Which is why the idea of stating the other fellow's position clearly is actually of limited utility at best in practice. At least on the sort of topics I am interested in grappling with.