NancyLebovitz comments on Stupid Questions December 2014 - Less Wrong

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Comment author: NancyLebovitz 09 December 2014 10:34:29AM 3 points [-]

Possibly parallel-- I've had a feeling for a long time that something bad was about to happen. Relatively recently, I've come to believe that this isn't necessarily an accurate intuition about the world, it's muscle tightness in my abdomen. It's probably part of a larger pattern, since just letting go in the area where I feel it doesn't make much difference.

I believe that patterns of muscle tension and emotions are related and tend to maintain each other.

It's extremely unlikely that everyone is more competent than you at everything. If nothing else, your writing is better than that of a high proportion of people on the internet. Also, a lot of people have painful mental habits and have no idea that they have a problem.

More generally, you could explore the idea of everyone being more competent than you at everything. Is there evidence for this? Evidence against it? Is it likely that you're at the bottom of ability at everything?

This sounds to me like something worth taking to a therapist, bearing in mind that you may have to try more than one therapist to find one that's a good fit.

I believe there's strong psychological effect which can create that impression-- growing up around people who expect you to be incompetent. Now that I think about it, there may be genetic vulnerability involved, too.

Possibly worth exploring: free monthly Feldenkrais exercise-- this are patterns of gentle movement which produce deep relaxation and easier movement. The reason I think you can get some evidence about your situation by trying Feldenkrais is that, if you find your belief about other people being more competent at everything goes away, even briefly, than you have some evidence that the belief is habitual.

Comment author: mwengler 11 December 2014 03:03:39PM 1 point [-]

I've had a feeling for a long time that something bad was about to happen.

Nancy, I believe you are describing anxiety. That you are anxious, that if you went to a psychologist for therapy and you were covered by insurance that they would list your diagnosis on the reimbursement form as "generalized anxiety disorder."

I say this not as a psychologist but as someone who was anxious much of his life. For me it was worth doing regular talking therapy and (it seems to me) hacking my anxiety levels slowly downward through directed introspection. I am still more timid than I would like in situations where, for example, I might be very direct telling a woman (of the appropriate sex) I love her, or putting my own ideas forward forcefully at work. But all of these things I do better now than I did in the past, and I don't consider my self-adjustment to be finished yet.

Anyway, If you haven't named what is happening to you as "anxiety," it might be helpful to consider that some of what has been learned about anxiety over time might be interesting to you, that people who are discussing anxiety may often be discussing something relevant to you.

Comment author: timujin 09 December 2014 11:34:27AM 1 point [-]

If nothing else, your writing is better than that of a high proportion of people on the internet.

Do you know me?

More generally, you could explore the idea of everyone being more competent than you at everything. Is there evidence for this? Evidence against it? Is it likely that you're at the bottom of ability at everything?

I find a lot of evidence for it, but I am not sure I am not being selective. For example, I am the only one in my peer group that never did any extra-curricular activities at school. While everyone had something like sports or hobbies, I seemed to only study at school an waste all my other time surfing the internet and playing the same video games over and over.

Comment author: ChristianKl 09 December 2014 12:41:31PM 5 points [-]

The idea that playing an instrument is a hobby while playing a video game isn't is completely cultural. It says something about values but little about competence.

Comment author: jaime2000 12 December 2014 05:12:32PM *  3 points [-]

One important difference is that video games are optimized to be fun while musical instruments aren't. Therefore, playing an instrument can signal discipline in a way that playing a game can't.

Comment author: ChristianKl 12 December 2014 06:43:44PM 0 points [-]

I'm not sure that's true. There's selection pressure on musical instruments to make them fun to use. Most of the corresponding training also mostly isn't optimised for learning but for fun.

Comment author: alienist 13 December 2014 04:54:22AM 6 points [-]

There's also selection pressure on instruments to make them pleasant to listen to. There's no corresponding constraint on video games.

Comment author: ChristianKl 13 December 2014 01:52:11PM 0 points [-]

There's no corresponding constraint on video games.

In an age of eSports I'm not sure that's true. Quite a lot of games are not balanced to make them fun for the average player but balanced for high level tournament play.

Comment author: NancyLebovitz 09 December 2014 04:04:01PM 1 point [-]

Having a background belief that you're worse than everyone at everything probably lowered your initiative.

Comment author: MathiasZaman 09 December 2014 12:01:28PM 0 points [-]

I seemed to only study at school an waste all my other time surfing the internet and playing the same video games over and over.

Obvious question: Are you better at those games than other people? (On average, don't compare yourself to the elite.)

How easy did studying come to you?

Comment author: timujin 09 December 2014 07:10:13PM 1 point [-]

At THOSE games? Yes. I can complete about half of American McGee's Alice blindfolded. Other games? General gaming? No. Or, okay, I am better than non-gamers, but my kinda-gamer peers are crub-stomping me at multiplayer in every game.

Studying - very easy. Now, when I am a university student - quite hard.

Comment author: MathiasZaman 10 December 2014 01:19:53PM 6 points [-]

Studying - very easy. Now, when I am a university student - quite hard.

Seems like you fell prey to the classic scenario of "being intelligent enough to breeze through high school and all I ended up with is a crappy work ethic."

University is as good of a place as any to fix this problem. First of all, I encourage you to do all the things people tell you you should do, but most people don't: Read up before classes, review after classes, read the extra material, ask your professors questions or help, schedule periodic review sessions of the stuff you're supposed to know... You'll regret not doing those things when you get your degree but don't feel very competent about your knowledge. Try to make a habit out of this and it'll get easier in other aspects of your life.

And try new things. This is probably a cliché in the LW-sphere by now, but really try a lot of new things.

Comment author: timujin 10 December 2014 01:55:59PM 0 points [-]

Thanks. Still, should I take it as "yes, you are less competent than people around you"?

Comment author: polymathwannabe 10 December 2014 02:29:53PM 2 points [-]

Maybe just less disciplined than you need to be. "Less competent" is too confusingly relative to mean anything solid.

Comment author: timujin 10 December 2014 02:37:49PM 1 point [-]

Well, here's a confusing part. I didn't tell the whole truth in parent post, there are actually two areas that I am probably more competent than peers, in which others openly envy me instead of the other way around. One is the ability to speak English (a foreign language, most my peers wouldn't be able to ask this question here), another is discipline. Everyone actually envies me for almost never procrastinating, never forgetting anything, etc. Are we talking about different disciplines here?

Comment author: polymathwannabe 10 December 2014 02:45:58PM 0 points [-]

If you already have discipline, what exactly is the difficulty you're finding to study now as compared to previous years?

Comment author: timujin 10 December 2014 02:57:40PM 2 points [-]

Sometimes, I just have trouble understanding the subject areas. I am going to take MathiasZaman's advice: I always used my discipline to complete in time and with quality what needs to be completed, but not into anything extra. Mostly, though, it is (social) anxiety - I can't approach a professor with anything unless I have a pack of companions backing me up, or can't start a project unless a friend confirms that I correctly understand what it is that has to be done. And my companions have awful discipline, worst of anyone I ever worked with (which is not many). So I end up, for example, preparing all assignments in time, but hand them in only long after the time is due, when a friend has prepared them. I am working on that problem, and it becomes less severe as the time goes.

Comment author: NancyLebovitz 09 December 2014 11:45:17AM 0 points [-]

I don't think I know you, but I'm not that great at remembering people. I made the claim about your writing because I've spent a lot of time online.

I'm sure you're being selective about the people you're comparing yourself to.