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Comment author: VivienneMarks 20 June 2015 03:44:52PM 4 points [-]

Hi back!

Actually, interestingly, some Victorian prudishness was encouraged by Victorian feminists, weirdly enough. Old-timey sexism said that women were too lustful and oozed temptation, hence why they should be excluded from the cool-headed realms of men (Arthurian legend is FULL of this shit, especially if Sir Gallahad is involved). Victorian feminists actually encouraged the view of women as quasi-asexual, to show that no, having women in your university was not akin to inviting a gang of succubi to turn the school into an orgy pit (this was also useful, as back then, there were questions on the morality of women). A lot of modern sexism actually has its roots not in anything ancient, but in a weird backlash of Victoriana.

Comment author: Lumifer 20 June 2015 03:53:27PM *  2 points [-]

having women in your university was not akin to inviting a gang of succubi to turn the school into an orgy pit

LOL. To quote Nobel Laureate Tom Hunt as of a couple of weeks ago:

Let me tell you about my trouble with girls … three things happen when they are in the lab … You fall in love with them, they fall in love with you and when you criticise them, they cry.

Comment author: Romashka 24 June 2015 02:57:13PM 2 points [-]

One therefore wonders at man/man, woman/man and woman/woman troubles, which statistically should account for the majority of academic, er, troubles.

Comment author: Jiro 25 June 2015 02:19:27PM 1 point [-]

He's asserting that most troubles between men and women fall into a particular category. It might be that man/man troubles rarely fall into that category, and because most of that category is missing, are less numerous overall.

Comment author: Romashka 25 June 2015 05:10:24PM 5 points [-]

Well... Having once been infatuated with my supervisor and more than once reduced by him to tears even when my infatuation wore off, I can say this:

It's not people falling in love with people that really reduces group output. Being in love I worked like I would never do again.

It's people growing disappointed with people/goals, or having an actual life (my colleague quit her PhD when her husband lost his job, + they had a kid), or - God forbid! - competing for money. Now that's what I would call trouble.

Comment author: Creutzer 02 July 2015 09:10:43AM 0 points [-]

Very good point! It's a ubiquitous stereotype, but it's not a priori clear to me that workplace romance leads to a net decrease in productivity, and I haven't seen real evidence for it. Google Scholar yielded nothing, it either ignores the search word "productivity" or just yields papers that report the cliché.

Comment author: CellBioGuy 20 June 2015 04:10:44PM *  4 points [-]

I found that particular piece of stupidity particularly amusing since my field is upwards of 55 percent female (at my level - the old guard of people who have been in it since the 60s or 70s is more male) and I have worked in labs where I was the only man.

Comment author: Sarunas 29 June 2015 05:21:11PM 3 points [-]
Comment author: VivienneMarks 20 June 2015 06:40:04PM 0 points [-]

Uggghhhh.... that guy. I may not be a scientist, but I saw red when I read that.