ciphergoth comments on We Haven't Uploaded Worms - Less Wrong

89 Post author: jkaufman 27 December 2014 11:44AM

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Comment author: ciphergoth 28 December 2014 08:59:33AM 9 points [-]

I discussed this with a professor of neuroscience on Facebook.

Comment author: ShardPhoenix 30 December 2014 08:51:35AM 1 point [-]

Unfortunately seems that the inferential gap was not crossed.

Comment author: ciphergoth 01 January 2015 06:10:31PM 1 point [-]

In which direction? :) and do you think you can say anything about what was said in a way that would help close the gap? Thanks!

Comment author: ShardPhoenix 02 January 2015 12:02:59AM *  2 points [-]

As arundelo said, it was frustrating how he wouldn't commit to specific predictions. I get the feeling he had some philosophical idea about "but is a copy of me really me?" that was influencing him even when you were trying to keep things on a more concrete level. (This isn't totally unreasonable on his part because there are sometimes disputes over this issue even here). Aside from the unlikely-to-be-productive tactic of telling him to read the sequences, perhaps you could have emphasized that you were interested in the objective behaviour and not the "identity'' or subjective experience of the worm? I think you were trying to do that but maybe the contrast could have been more explicit?

Basically, it seems he was jumping ahead from thinking about worm uploads to thinking about human mind uploads and getting tangled up in classical philosophical dilemmas as a result.

Comment author: hairyfigment 02 January 2015 01:49:15AM 0 points [-]

Actually, most of that seems like a straightforward false dichotomy (between "connectome" alone and a dynamic model with constant activity). Or I may misunderstand how he's using the phrase "information flow," eg it may stand for some technical point that Paul and I don't understand at all.

Comment author: arundelo 01 January 2015 08:38:06PM 2 points [-]

I was pretty frustrated by the neuroscience prof's reluctance to speak in terms of predictions -- of what he'd expect to see as the result of some particular experiment -- but you did great at politely pushing him in that direction, and I can't think how you could have done better.