James_Miller comments on Rationality Quotes January 2015 - Less Wrong

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Comment author: James_Miller 01 January 2015 03:18:26AM *  1 point [-]

How many more times must this happen? How many more brilliant people must we lose because they missed a social meeting? Are we done yet?

Rachel Haywire, Twitter concerning shirtgate.

Comment author: B_For_Bandana 01 January 2015 03:06:28PM *  0 points [-]

One of the replies there is,

@RachelHaywire diverse sci/astro ppl I follow, male+female believe far more women driven from phys sci by harassment than men by geekshaming.

Reminds me of Twain's comparison of the two Reigns of Terror.

Edit: Not to mention that we didn't lose Matt Taylor. He still has the same job as a scientist with the ESA.

Comment author: Viliam_Bur 22 January 2015 01:23:01PM 5 points [-]

far more women driven from phys sci by harassment than men by geekshaming

This seems to silently assume that women are not geekshamed.

Otherwise the proper comparison would be "more women driven from phys by harassment than both men and women by geekshaming", if we want to argue that geekshaming is not a problem. We should not automatically assume that focusing public attention on a scientist's shirt instead of their scientific results will have zero impact on geek women.

Comment author: fubarobfusco 04 January 2015 02:44:59AM *  0 points [-]

Edit: Not to mention that we didn't lose Matt Taylor. He still has the same job as a scientist with the ESA.

In other words, the original quote is, simply, a lie. Perhaps the "rationality" aspect is to remind people of all affiliations how readily people will lie for politics?

Comment author: lalaithion 01 January 2015 09:18:03PM 1 point [-]

I honestly don't understand whether this is criticising Matt Taylor or criticising Taylor's critics.

Comment author: hairyfigment 01 January 2015 09:36:33PM 4 points [-]

Seems utterly foolish either way. Matt Taylor made a mistake, he apologized, I forgot his name and am only going by the evidence of your comment. We didn't "lose" anyone.

Comment author: alienist 04 January 2015 12:44:06AM 9 points [-]

Matt Taylor made a mistake, he apologized

I would argue that was his actual mistake, i.e., apologizing when he did nothing wrong.

Comment author: lalaithion 03 January 2015 10:26:37AM 2 points [-]

I agree. I only know the name 'cause I clicked through the links. Like, okay, maybe the ESA should hire someone who will say "don't wear that shirt over in front of the cameras to give the interview." But it really isn't a big deal