lirene comments on 2014 Survey Results - Less Wrong

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Comment author: lirene 04 January 2015 02:24:17PM 4 points [-]

I only identify with my birth gender by default: 681, 45.3%

I'm surprised at this. Is there a special term for "only identifying with one's gender by default" or keywords I can use to look for statistics for among the general population? (a brief googling didn't uncover anything). I would've guessed this number to be much lower, and now I'm wondering whether this is signaling or whether my model of other people in this particular instance is completely wrong.

Comment author: FiftyTwo 18 January 2015 01:38:55AM 2 points [-]

Personally I was surprised so amny cis people strongly identified with their gender

[tpical mind etc...]

Comment author: [deleted] 07 January 2015 07:58:39PM *  0 points [-]

I think I actually put that down. Reasoning: gender is mostly, IMHO, social performance. Since I was born male, and was mostly trained to perform maleness, that's mostly what I perform. But it's not a conscious, reasoned-out choice made by weighing reasons for and against. It's just the coincidence of what happened. A counterfactual me who had been born female and raised to perform femaleness, but was otherwise the same, would not be so masculine-leaning as to transition.

Weirdly enough, my normal behavior tends to code as more masculine than average. This is, as people would obviously reason if they could think at all clearly ;-), overcompensation for spending half my youth being told to stop being such an oversensitive pussy and man-up already (sorry for the language, but the experiences were rather severe, actually).

Comment author: alienist 08 January 2015 05:28:47AM 6 points [-]

A counterfactual me who had been born female and raised to perform femaleness, but was otherwise the same,

I don't understand how this counterfactual is supposed to work. Does being born female include not having a Y chromosome and thus no SRY gene, thus no testosterone bath in the womb and the resulting cascade? If so it's unclear what you mean by "otherwise the same".

Comment author: [deleted] 10 January 2015 10:31:51AM 2 points [-]

Does being born female include not having a Y chromosome and thus no SRY gene, thus no testosterone bath in the womb and the resulting cascade?

Well yes, of course.

Comment author: Kaj_Sotala 04 January 2015 07:40:32PM 5 points [-]

It's not an established term in the sense that people would have conducted research on it, as far as I know: unless I'm mistaken, it comes from here.

Comment author: arundelo 04 January 2015 08:06:11PM *  6 points [-]
Comment author: lirene 06 January 2015 04:09:44PM 1 point [-]

Thank you both for providing the links. I will wait and see whether the percentage stays the same in the 2015 survey...