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Comment author: ChristianKl 04 February 2015 06:14:47PM *  0 points [-]

The west including its governments have not attributed a major attack to Islamic Terror which turned out on further evidence to not be Islamic Terror.

I'm not sure whether that statement is true in that form.

Glenn Greenwald on democracy now:

And so you have a lot of them who work at think tanks, like Brookings Institute, which employs Will McCants, who misled American media outlets into believing for a full day and then telling the world that the Anders Breivik attack in Norway was actually the work of a jihadist group.

FBI informants also pay Muslims money to commit terrorist acts to them imprison them before the actual act.

More controversially there an embassy bombing in London about which Annie Machon:

This brings to my mind the appalling mis­car­riage of justice that occurred in the 1990s when two Palestinian stu­dents, a young woman called Samar Alami and a young man called Jawad Bot­meh, were both wrong­fully con­victed of con­spir­acy to bomb the Israeli embassy in Lon­don in July 1994.

But in this case we have more than just Western sources, we also have al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula (AQAP) claim responsibility.

Comment author: mwengler 05 February 2015 01:19:57AM 0 points [-]

The Anders Brevik thing is interesting. That the west got the story correct within about 24 hours in my opinion leaves my point largely intact. Particularly in that I am opposing my point to the idea expressed by the Turkish president that the Charlie Hebdo attack was perpetrated by Israeli's trying to make the Muslims look bad, or the claims soon after 9/11 that 9/11 was either Israeli's or was a lie or whatever. One guy at the Brookings institution getting it wrong for one day, I'm happy to agree that my statement could be modified to something like "the mainstream west upon reflection has not attributed anything to Islamic Terror which is not Islamic Terror, although certainly plenty of individual's in the west have come up with plenty of misattributions both in favor of and against Muslims."

Comment author: ChristianKl 05 February 2015 02:27:53AM 0 points [-]

I agree that it's very unlikely that Israeli's share any responsibility for Charlie Hebdo attack. The point I wanted to illustrate that it's easy to make straightfoward claims that aren't fully true.

"the mainstream west upon reflection has not attributed anything to Islamic Terror which is not Islamic Terror, although certainly plenty of individual's in the west have come up with plenty of misattributions both in favor of and against Muslims."

I think claiming that Palestianens bomb an Israeli embassy in London, is an attribution for Islamic Terror.

Certainly long before this post went up, it is a really safe conclusion that Islamic Terrorists shot up Charlie Hebdo.

The thing that the Turkish premier denies isn't who pulled the trigger but who's responsible for those guys pulling the trigger. In particular he disbelieves that people known to have completed a terror training camp were able to coordinate such an attack without the secret service noticing.

Of course he's still wrong.

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