alienist comments on Natural Selection of Government Systems - Less Wrong

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Comment author: alienist 09 February 2015 06:48:23AM 12 points [-]

This threat is still relevant, as many nations have not yet reached the economic or mental stage when they are no longer interested in territorial conquests.

If your political system requires no one in the world to defect, your political system is unworkable.

Comment author: cleonid 18 February 2015 04:16:40PM 1 point [-]

Naturally, political systems which require no one to defect are unworkable. But what makes you think that defection is an insolvable problem in this particular system? Just like individual people can act jointly against aggressive criminals, individual states/provinces/communities can act jointly against aggressive regimes.

Comment author: alienist 19 February 2015 03:21:36AM 1 point [-]

My point is that you can't simply rely on other countries having reached a "sufficiently advanced economic or mental stage" to stop defection. You do actually need to rely on force.

Comment author: cleonid 19 February 2015 01:57:53PM 0 points [-]

Sorry it was not sufficiently clear, but this is precisely the point I was trying to make in that paragraph. The real question was not whether the deterring force would be needed (obviously it would), but how to organize it effectively. In particular, how to solve the free rider problem which is intrinsic to all military coalitions?