Epictetus comments on The Galileo affair: who was on the side of rationality? - Less Wrong

35 Post author: Val 15 February 2015 08:52PM

You are viewing a comment permalink. View the original post to see all comments and the full post content.

Comments (70)

You are viewing a single comment's thread. Show more comments above.

Comment author: Jonathan_Lee 18 February 2015 10:50:12AM 4 points [-]

That sounds a rather odd argument to make, even at the time. Astronomy from antiquity was founded on accurate observations.

Astronomy and epistemology aren't quite the same. Predicting where Saturn would be on a given date requires accurate observation, and nobody objected to Coperniucus as a calculational tool. For example, the Jesuits are teaching Copernicus in China in Chinese about 2 years after he publishes, which implies they translated and shipped it with some alacrity.

The heavens were classically held to be made of different stuff; quintessense (later called aether) was not like regular matter -- this is obvious from the inside, because it maintains perpetual motion where normal matter does not. A lot of optical phenomena (eg. twinkling stars, the surface of the moon) were not seen as properties of the objects in question but properties of regular 4-elements matter between us and them.

By a modern standard, the physics is weird and disjointed... but that is historically how it was seen.

Comment author: Epictetus 18 February 2015 04:08:42PM 0 points [-]

Predicting where Saturn would be on a given date requires accurate observation, and nobody objected to Coperniucus as a calculational tool.

It's worth noting that Copernicus' use of circular orbits required the use of epicycles to make the theory fit the observations.

Comment author: Jiro 18 February 2015 07:24:44PM 1 point [-]

Epicycles are sort of like Fourier analysis. Just like you can break down a non-sine function into sine waves, you can break down a non-circular orbit into a combination of circles.

Comment author: Epictetus 18 February 2015 07:39:31PM 0 points [-]

But if you're going to use epicycles anyway, why prefer Copernicus to Ptolemy?

Comment author: Jayson_Virissimo 18 February 2015 08:40:30PM *  0 points [-]

But if you're going to use epicycles anyway, why prefer Copernicus to Ptolemy?

Fewer epicycles means easier calculations. Still, it isn't clear why you should prefer the Copernican system to the Tychonic (the other major contender in Galileo's time) when evaluating based on some mix of accuracy and ease of calculation (if your goal is to know "where Saturn would be on a given date").

Comment author: Epictetus 18 February 2015 10:12:22PM 2 points [-]

Going by wiki, Copernicus' system had more epicycles.

Comment author: Jayson_Virissimo 18 February 2015 11:40:56PM 1 point [-]

Whoops, you're right. It seems as though Copernicus dropped an equant at the cost of adding even more epicycles. Hardly an unambiguously preferable trade-off.

Comment author: [deleted] 19 February 2015 04:13:10PM 0 points [-]

According to Koestler (The Sleepwalkers) Copernicus just hated Ptolemy's "eccentrics" because a good Platonist God does not do ugly assymetrical work like that. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deferent_and_epicycle