HungryHippo comments on Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality discussion thread, February 2015, chapters 105-107 - Less Wrong

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Comment author: HungryHippo 17 February 2015 08:11:28PM 3 points [-]

plan iss for you to rule country, obvioussly This one sounds important now that we know it is definitely true (or at least was at the time).

What does "you" mean, though? Tom Riddle? In which case Quirrell could just as well be speaking of himself. The physical body others designate "Harry"? In which case Quirrell could just permanently transfigure himself into Harry's body using the stone, shoot Harry and vanish the body and claim "Quirrell" had urgent business elsewhere.

Comment author: spriteless 19 February 2015 04:24:15AM 5 points [-]

If Voldemort (or whatever created both Voldemort and Harry) consideres Potter the same person as himself, then "I do not intend to raisse my hand or magic againsst you in future, sso long ass you do not raisse your hand or magic againsst me." is a tautology and always true.

Comment author: Subbak 19 February 2015 11:14:08PM 4 points [-]

This is probably not the case however, as it would feel like a very cheap language trick given that Quirrel has used "you" and "I" in parseltongue in a non-ambiguous manner several times already. Even worse, if Quirrel was going by this then he'd risk Harry picking up the trick and promising to help himself get the stone, and not consider it a betrayal.

Comment author: Rukifellth 18 February 2015 01:29:58PM 1 point [-]

What if Quirrell is so good at dissociation that he can lie through parseltongue by convincing himself that what he's saying is true?

Comment author: Alsadius 18 February 2015 11:14:03PM 1 point [-]

Canon!Voldemort, maybe. MoR!Voldemort, not a chance.

Comment author: TobyBartels 19 February 2015 08:08:59AM 1 point [-]

But rationalists should win, so MoR!Voldie should self-modify to be less Spock-rational and more capable of deceiving himself.

Comment author: Alsadius 20 February 2015 11:00:57PM 0 points [-]

Only if the ability to lie to Harry Potter is more valuable than having a clearly-functioning mind that accurately represents the real world.

Comment author: TobyBartels 23 February 2015 06:16:05AM *  0 points [-]

Well, I'm not denying that it's a Dark Art. He'd have to apply this very selectively. I couldn't pull it off. Eliezer probably couldn't pull it off. But this is Quirinus Quirrell we're talking about!

Edit after Ch 109: That's actually pretty similar.

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