TobyBartels comments on Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality discussion thread, February 2015, chapters 105-107 - Less Wrong

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Comment author: TobyBartels 18 February 2015 04:01:53AM 1 point [-]

Reference for Steerpike syndrome please?

Comment author: WalterL 18 February 2015 05:04:19PM 7 points [-]

The Gormenghast books are more or less about a castle full of what I'd call anti-rationalists. They are entirely ruled by customs passed down from prehistory, and are generally incapable of change or improvement.

Enter Steerpike, villain of the piece and scullery boy. He is, I guess I 'd call it awake, and strives to improve his lot rather than being content with what his birth dooms him to. He is resisted at every turn by the denizen's bloody minded traditionalism (Spoilers: at one point he murders the 90 year old Master of Rituals, hoping to take his place, only for his 70 year old apprentice to come creeping out of the Room of Abiding where he has been waiting for this moment his entire life.)

Steerpike ultimately descends into terrorism out of more or less pure frustration. There's an incident where his evil works are discovered, but he feels relief more than anything else, since he no longer has to pretend to swallow their dogmas. I see shades of him in Voldemort's expressed deep loathing of the ordinary folks. I think he's delighted to have Harry to talk to, despite being his enemy.

Comment author: TobyBartels 19 February 2015 08:23:08AM 0 points [-]

Thanks. Gormenghast is one thing that I found in my Google search, but the description that I read of Steerpike didn't highlight loneliness as a character trait.

Comment author: drethelin 18 February 2015 07:08:15AM 1 point [-]

It's a reference to the Gormenghast trilogy, of which one of the main characters is an isolated teenager named Steerpike.

Comment author: Bugmaster 19 February 2015 12:36:07AM 0 points [-]

I started reading the first book, but stopped about 20% of the way in (may have been less, it's been a while since then), because I found it stupefyingly boring. Does that trilogy get any better later on ?

Comment author: drethelin 19 February 2015 01:41:16AM 0 points [-]

If you find it boring it's probably not for you. I enjoy the language, the descriptions and so on. It's the same as my recommendation for LOTR. I liked it a lot but I don't think everyone should. I find both pleasant to read even when nothing is really happening in the story.

Comment author: Bugmaster 19 February 2015 04:18:14AM *  0 points [-]

Oddly enough I really like LOTR as well as The Silmarillion... So maybe I should give this Gormenghast thing another shot, I don't know.

I think the difference between LOTR/Simlarillion and Gormenghast is that Tolkien's books contain well-crafted language and descriptions of scenery that are punctuated by moments of sheer epic overload; whereas Gormenghast contains the former but not the latter.

But again, I haven't made it that far into it, so I could be wrong.