Anomylous comments on The outline of Maletopia - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Anomylous 25 February 2015 04:44:24PM *  1 point [-]

Simply put, in Maletopia it would suck to be a woman.

Why?

Women would essentially be second-class citizens - after all, they'd be living in a society designed around men's needs only.

I'm going to make an exception here from my normal practice and speak specifically as a woman: Those raids sound fun! But I'd probably be excluded from most teams. And as far as partners, my ideal partner would be a Mannfolk-type manly-man, who respects me as an equal - something that DeVliegenteHollander doesn't seem to think exists. (Perhaps he's right. If so, that might partially explain my series of pathetic failures at romance.)

Comment author: skeptical_lurker 26 February 2015 08:23:28AM 0 points [-]

I can't speak for what DeVliegenteHollander believes, but he does say:

there are butch amazon fighting tribes, and of course a million similar hobby organizations for people who are not fighters, for the Mentsh, for women who dislike fighting, for LGBT people, for the disabled, for all.

I got the impression that Maletopia was more of a hobby than a society, but even if it is a society where women are second-class citizens, if there are a million different societies then women who do not want to be treated as second-class citizens can just join egalitopia instead (and for women who do want to be second-class citizens, well, there's nothing wrong with being a sub).

Women aren't equal to men in terms of sheer muscle mass, and won't be until humanity gains mastery over biology. But there are some very skilled female martial artists, and IMO its more interesting to watch a battle of skill than of brute force.

But I'd probably be excluded from most teams.

In real life competitive sports are segregated too, apart from tennis and, apparently, Muggle quidditch. But I don't want to be subject to status quo bias - just because this is the default doesn't mean its optimal.

And as far as partners, my ideal partner would be a Mannfolk-type manly-man, who respects me as an equal - something that DeVliegenteHollander doesn't seem to think exists. (Perhaps he's right. If so, that might partially explain my series of pathetic failures at romance.)

Don't get depressed, few people find romance easy, and there are egalitarian manly men. I know some of them. In many ways I am one of them.

(Not that I'm hitting on you - I don't know you and you probably live thousands of miles away. Just saying that there's a lot of different people out there.)