skeptical_lurker comments on Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality discussion thread, February 2015, chapter 109 - Less Wrong

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Comment author: skeptical_lurker 23 February 2015 09:03:56PM 2 points [-]

I thought EY said there would be no AI analogy, and yet the mirror clearly is an AI (and it seems more FAI to me than NAI)

Well, I suppose he changed his mind.

With relatively little support, the tiny handful of would-be makers of this device labored under working conditions that were not so much dramatically arduous, as pointlessly annoying.

Are MIRI's working conditions pointlessly annoying?

Comment author: SilentCal 23 February 2015 10:20:35PM 4 points [-]

If anyone has the exact wording of the no-AI promise, I'd like to examine it.

Comment author: Unknowns 24 February 2015 08:08:17PM 3 points [-]

Eliezer: Slightly edited the original post to avoid giving away what my readers have finally convinced me is, in fact, an undesirable spoiler. I also hope you didn't mind my removing the mention of FAI, because I feel fairly strongly about not mixing that into the fic. "A fanatic is someone who can't change their mind and won't change the subject"; if we can't shut up about FAI while talking about Harry Potter, we may have a problem.

(http://lesswrong.com/lw/2ab/harry_potter_and_the_methods_of_rationality/22cq)

Comment author: Vulture 24 February 2015 05:53:27PM 3 points [-]

Working from memory, I believe that when asked about AI in the story, Eliezer said "they say a crackpot is someone who won't change his mind and won't change the subject -- I endeavor to at least change the subject." Obviously this is non-binding, but it still seems odd to me that he would go ahead and do the whole thing that he did with the mirror.

Comment author: CronoDAS 24 February 2015 02:36:53AM 2 points [-]

He said "Harry will not build an FAI"...

Comment author: dxu 24 February 2015 04:47:54AM 1 point [-]

Source?

(Not that I don't believe you; I've just never been able to find where EY says this.)

Comment author: CronoDAS 24 February 2015 10:13:13PM 0 points [-]

I think I heard it from him personally at a meet up...

Comment author: linkhyrule5 23 February 2015 09:34:14PM 2 points [-]

It's not an FAI, it hasn't taken over and promptly saved the world yet.

Well, I suppose this could all be a very slow plan on its part, but that would be boring, so it's probably magically charged to not do that, in some better-than-English conceptual way.

And well, insofar as they're trying to save the world and no major government cares to throw large quantities of public funds at them.

Comment author: skeptical_lurker 24 February 2015 07:19:37AM 0 points [-]

It's not an FAI, it hasn't taken over and promptly saved the world yet.

So its not a superhuman FAI. But the Atlanteans were working on superhuman FAI.

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