SilentCal comments on Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality discussion thread, February 2015, chapter 109 - Less Wrong

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Comment author: linkhyrule5 23 February 2015 08:22:50PM *  4 points [-]

I see. "Heart's desire" indeed.

So... Atlantis managed a neutral AI? But see convergence of methods - I'd expect a hypothetical NAI to be considerably harder to build than an FAI.

(Also, nice Duane shout-out.) In what sense is Altantean Magic more like Wizardry than post-Antlantean magic, though? Just the bits about making the Holy Grail as opposed to merely operating it?

(Heh. True Magic.)

Even Riddle would wish to be happy, I think. Or rather, if he knew more, was more capable, and was more the sort of person he wants to be... he would wish to be happy and immortal. Why not, after all?

I wonder how Dumbledore turned that into a trap, though?

For that matter, if Harry is right and Aberforth has the stone... there is another way of getting it, if this one is copy. There's more than one way to see someone who's dead, after all.

Comment author: skeptical_lurker 23 February 2015 09:03:56PM 2 points [-]

I thought EY said there would be no AI analogy, and yet the mirror clearly is an AI (and it seems more FAI to me than NAI)

Well, I suppose he changed his mind.

With relatively little support, the tiny handful of would-be makers of this device labored under working conditions that were not so much dramatically arduous, as pointlessly annoying.

Are MIRI's working conditions pointlessly annoying?

Comment author: SilentCal 23 February 2015 10:20:35PM 4 points [-]

If anyone has the exact wording of the no-AI promise, I'd like to examine it.

Comment author: Unknowns 24 February 2015 08:08:17PM 3 points [-]

Eliezer: Slightly edited the original post to avoid giving away what my readers have finally convinced me is, in fact, an undesirable spoiler. I also hope you didn't mind my removing the mention of FAI, because I feel fairly strongly about not mixing that into the fic. "A fanatic is someone who can't change their mind and won't change the subject"; if we can't shut up about FAI while talking about Harry Potter, we may have a problem.

(http://lesswrong.com/lw/2ab/harry_potter_and_the_methods_of_rationality/22cq)

Comment author: Vulture 24 February 2015 05:53:27PM 3 points [-]

Working from memory, I believe that when asked about AI in the story, Eliezer said "they say a crackpot is someone who won't change his mind and won't change the subject -- I endeavor to at least change the subject." Obviously this is non-binding, but it still seems odd to me that he would go ahead and do the whole thing that he did with the mirror.

Comment author: CronoDAS 24 February 2015 02:36:53AM 2 points [-]

He said "Harry will not build an FAI"...

Comment author: dxu 24 February 2015 04:47:54AM 1 point [-]

Source?

(Not that I don't believe you; I've just never been able to find where EY says this.)

Comment author: CronoDAS 24 February 2015 10:13:13PM 0 points [-]

I think I heard it from him personally at a meet up...

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