buybuydandavis comments on Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality discussion thread, February 2015, chapter 110 - Less Wrong

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Comment author: buybuydandavis 24 February 2015 09:48:11PM *  0 points [-]

So what was the source of the resonance between Harry and Q?

Did I miss it?

I always assumed it was ritual magic, as arranged by Dumbledore and Lily, and performed by Lily.

But:

“James and Lily would have gone willingly to the death, if they had known.”

Which seems to imply that they hadn't known.

But it seems just way too convenient for Lily to just happen to fulfill the terms of a ritual, and it's unclear that V would have violated the terms by imposing his horcrux on Harry anyway.

At one time, I wondered if Harry was a time turned version of V, and that was the source of the resonance.

So what was the source of the resonance between Harry and Q? I went back to read the "while potion making" talk, but the source of the resonance seems to have been glossed over.

Comment author: see 25 February 2015 07:45:22AM 0 points [-]

The source of the Harry-Voldemort resonance is that Harry was made into a Horcrux of Voldemort. Chapter 108:

The prophecy seemed to hint that if I destroyed all but a remnant of Harry Potter, then our spirits would not be so different, and we could exist in the same world."

"Something went wrong," Harry said. "Something that blew off the top of the Potters' home in Godric's Hollow, gave me the scar on my forehead, and left your burnt body behind."

Professor Quirrell nodded. His hands had slowed in their Potions work. "The resonance in our magic," Professor Quirrell said quietly. "When I had shaped the baby's spirit to be like my own..."

Harry remembered the moment in Azkaban when Professor Quirrell's Killing Curse had collided with his Patronus. The burning, tearing agony in his forehead, like his head had been about to split in half.

"I cannot count how many times I have thought of that night, rehearsing my mistake, thinking of wiser things I should have done," said Professor Quirrell. "I later decided that I should have thrown my wand from my hand and changed into my Animagus form. But that night... that night, I instinctively tried to control the chaotic fluctuations in my magic, even as I felt myself burning up from inside. That was the wrong decision, and I failed. So my body was destroyed, even as I overwrote the infant Harry Potter's mind; either of us destroying all but a remnant of the other.

Comment author: buybuydandavis 25 February 2015 08:06:09PM 0 points [-]

I saw that, but didn't see an answer in it.

"When I had shaped the baby's spirit to be like my own..."

...? And?

Quirrell describes the series of events, but provides no causal model that I see.

So you think that if Quirrell had tried to make a Quirrell imprint horcrux of any other person the same thing would have happened? The resonance relation is created as a side effect of casting that spell?

Comment author: Alsadius 24 February 2015 11:52:35PM 0 points [-]

Presumably that they're equal but opposite.

Comment author: buybuydandavis 25 February 2015 01:48:11AM 2 points [-]

They're not numbers, they're people. They're neither "equal" nor "opposite". What they are is very similar, with some differences.

I guess if Magic Land recognizes them as two versions of the "same" person, as in labeling them both as Tom Riddle, you can play that game. I've seen some comments here or on reddit to that effect, but they seemed snide comments about confusing the Atlantean operating system. The snideness would be appropriate, IMO.

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