Yvain comments on Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality discussion thread, February 2015, chapter 111 - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Yvain 25 February 2015 07:08:27PM *  25 points [-]

So Harry gets his wand back, gets his pouch back, Voldemort resurrects Hermione with superpowers, then Voldemort becomes super-weak, his horcruxes mysteriously stop working, and he mentions this is happening loudly enough for Harry to hear and kill him?

Either this is still all in the mirror, or Harry needs to buy lottery tickets right away.

Comment author: SilentCal 25 February 2015 08:34:57PM 32 points [-]

Or this is a big setup by Voldemort. Saying "I must make a Horcrux" out loud is the giveaway; I doubt even Harry's fantasy of a beatable Voldemort would be that stupid.

My guess (conditioned on this not being the mirror) is that Voldemort gave Harry his pouch and wand and then faked weakness to trick Harry into attacking him so that he could kill Harry without violating his prior promise. He resurrected a nearly-immortal Hermione to dissuade Harry from ripping the stars apart in case killing him failed, as part of his defense-in-depth strategy against the prophecy. Since he could have tricked Harry by much simpler means if that were the only goal, he can say in Parseltongue that restoring her counsel is the greater part of his motivation.

Comment author: Benito 26 February 2015 12:41:05AM 3 points [-]

hat tip

Comment author: MarkusRamikin 25 February 2015 08:04:41PM *  6 points [-]

No, you've got it completely backwards, he just used some ancient pre-rolled dice, now he can't buy lottery tickets for like a zillion years until he builds that used up luck back.

In other news, the chapter is titled Failure part 1. So we're still in for more Failure.

Comment author: linkhyrule5 25 February 2015 07:14:58PM 5 points [-]

Meta-level evidence for this: Eliezer doesn't usually post two chapters, short or not, in one day.

Not wasting his readers time speculating about a "dream" would be a good motive for that.

Comment author: Vaniver 25 February 2015 07:15:44PM 3 points [-]

Either this is still all in the mirror

I think it's more plausible that the mirror acts like it does in canon; that is, you see the room you're in, plus some features that you deeply desire; you don't see yourself leave the room unless you actually leave the room.

Harry needs to buy lottery tickets right away.

I see three broad paths the next chapter could take:

  1. Hermione, wake up! We won and now we have to rescue Dumbledore!
  2. "You thought that would stop me? Now we fight!"
  3. "You thought that would stop me? I had just made a horcrux for her, and your Patronus plus my horcrux is how we're going to solve the death problem. You've failed my loyalty test. And after all I did for you!"

(As always, there is the category of "everything else.")

Comment author: TobyBartels 26 February 2015 05:39:14PM 1 point [-]

Upvoted retroactively.

Comment author: b_sen 25 February 2015 07:27:43PM 1 point [-]

I think it's more plausible that the mirror acts like it does in canon; that is, you see the room you're in, plus some features that you deeply desire; you don't see yourself leave the room unless you actually leave the room.

They did leave the room and go to a graveyard before Hermione was resurrected.

Comment author: Vaniver 25 February 2015 07:37:34PM 1 point [-]

They did leave the room and go to a graveyard before Hermione was resurrected.

The reader sees them leave the room and go to a graveyard. But whether or not they in actuality left the room depends on how the mirror transmits information. Yvain is leaving open the possibility that Harry is hallucinating this (with the mirror's help), and giving it high probability because of how much is going in his favor very quickly. I agree that's a possibility, but think it's unlikely given how the canon mirror operated and the evidence we have of how the MOR!mirror operates.

Comment author: b_sen 25 February 2015 07:41:48PM 1 point [-]

I see. Point taken, then.

Comment author: imuli 25 February 2015 07:57:05PM 1 point [-]

Voldemort believes that Harry “WILL TEAR APART THE VERY STARS IN HEAVEN” without Hermione. What wouldn't you do to protect the person preventing that, given that you are willing to murder unknown hundreds for Horcruxes.

Comment author: linkhyrule5 25 February 2015 08:06:06PM 0 points [-]

Be stupid?

There's no excuse for letting Harry have his stuff back, after all.

Comment author: linkhyrule5 25 February 2015 07:19:26PM 1 point [-]

Further speculation along this line: Even if this is a dream, what has Harry gained from this vision?

  • A reasonably non-Dark way of resurrecting Hermione. (!)
  • Insight into the Dark Lord's motives, assuming that this is all things he "might have" said.
  • A hint into how he might be killed.
Comment author: SolveIt 25 February 2015 07:42:20PM 1 point [-]

How to resurrect Hermione when he gets around to it. After all, she has to become an alicorn princess!

Comment author: Alsadius 25 February 2015 08:48:18PM 1 point [-]

I suspect I'm spoiling the in-joke here, but is that a literal in-story thing, or just a fan joke? Honestly, it's getting hard to tell sometimes.

Comment author: Vaniver 25 February 2015 08:59:01PM *  0 points [-]

I suspect I'm spoiling the in-joke here, but is that a literal in-story thing, or just a fan joke? Honestly, it's getting hard to tell sometimes.

It has to deal with an author's note written after Hermione's death, in which Eliezer responded to claims that the story was insufficiently feminist with 'wait until the story is finished!', and ended with the line that she would be resurrected as an alicorn princess. It was, I believe, at the same time that the MLP community was still reacting to Twilight Sparkle being turned from a unicorn to an alicorn princess.

People have been genuinely uncertain how serious he was, given his reputation for both honesty and silliness.

Comment author: TobyBartels 26 February 2015 05:41:33PM 1 point [-]

And when the similarly themed, similarly silly suggestion came true that Twilight Sparkle (in a pre-alicorn state, as it happens) would appear in the fic, people really began to take it seriously.

Comment author: [deleted] 25 February 2015 09:02:06PM *  1 point [-]

I feel like the people who thought it wouldn't happen really underestimated him. Author!EY knows how to nail an ending.

Comment author: DanielLC 25 February 2015 07:44:21PM 0 points [-]

A reasonably non-dark way of making people nigh-immortal, though he might have to leave out the troll part if they turn out to be sapient.

Comment author: DanArmak 25 February 2015 08:36:29PM 1 point [-]

He hasn't actually learned the magic Voldemort was using just by observing it. And it's likely a Dark secret that noone else can teach him.

Comment author: linkhyrule5 25 February 2015 07:52:11PM *  1 point [-]

He doesn't actually know that ritual, though. Quirrell does stuff with his wand and Harry knows better than to just blindly copy whatever off his memory.

The resurrection ritual, as near as I can tell, requires only going to that obelisk, placing flesh on the slab, and saying "X, X, X so wisely hidden", where "X" is whatever you you have - blood, flesh, bone, vitreous humors of the eye, whatever.